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steam tracing

10/13/2008 3:48 PM

In steam tracing - SSM and CRM are generally located 38M max for open system and 24 M max for
closed system when we use LP Steam up to 3.5 kg/sq cm. as a heating media.

what is this SSM AND CRM?

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Re: steam tracing

10/13/2008 6:31 PM

Steam Supply Main

Condensate Return Main

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Re: steam tracing

10/14/2008 6:16 AM

what is open syatem and close system

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10/14/2008 6:36 PM

An open system is when the condensate return is at atmospheric pressure and is allowed to flow by gravity; a closed system is when the return is pressurized.

The advantage to an open system is that "stall" of process equipment is avoided and the condensate return tends to operate more predictably with easier control. However, most major systems are not designed in this way because of the large amount of energy lost from the vent, plus the risk of significant oxygen corrosion.

The closed system with always have a back pressure across the steam traps, which is the cause for "stalling" particularly during start-up conditions

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Re: steam tracing

10/15/2008 12:45 PM

i am a laymon in this subject

please let me know what is stall or stalling.

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Re: steam tracing

10/15/2008 1:37 PM

The short, quick answer is - stall is when heat equipment gets flooded with condensate and loses its heat transfer capability of condensing steam.

For the long answer, please see this site:

http://www.spiraxsarco.com/resources/steam-engineering-tutorials/condensate-removal/heat-exchangers-and-stall.asp

Also - it will be of benefit to you to go through all of these tutorials for a better understanding of steam

http://www.spiraxsarco.com/resources/steam-engineering-tutorials.asp

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10/15/2008 1:56 PM

You will find a wealth of information here as well:

http://www.armstronginternational.com/files/products/traps/pdf/N_101.pdf

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10/15/2008 11:53 PM

Correct me if I am wrong but the first thing that comes to mind for an open sys. is the condensate is not recovered and just the opposite can be said for a closed sys. Therefore the distance between a source and sink in an open system can be placed farther away. You essentially only care about the usefulness of the steam as a heating source, not necessarily how much heat you can recover from the condensate.

A common example of this is steam tracing storage tanks far out in a tank farm. The farther the steam consumer is from its source, the less economical it is to recover the condensate due to heat losses to and from source and sink. The steam quality degrades during transport and after heat transfer, the condensate has some value but by the end of the trip back to the source it is nothing more than cheap treated water.

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10/17/2008 2:46 PM

what if we add water treatment solution

we will get food grade steam

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10/17/2008 8:06 PM

I am not following your comment.

What pressure steam is produced and what is it used for?

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10/18/2008 8:49 AM

17 bar

and its used for flushing the line

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10/24/2008 11:21 PM

If you require steam for an application where steam directly contacts food, you should only use water treatment chemicals that are approved for this in the appropriate dosages.

In the Untied States, 21 CFR 173.310 covers boiler water additives in contact with food.

I don't know what your legal requirements are in Kenya.

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