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Piping connection

11/01/2008 4:01 AM

Is it mandatory requirement in refinery that thickness of pipe should be same as that of connected fittings and material of pipe should be same as of fittings & valves used.

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Re: Piping connection

11/01/2008 1:46 PM

The queastion:

"Is it mandatory" No, it is not "Mandatory" but it is strongly recommended. Lets look at an extreme example: If you use all 8" (150mm) schedule 40 pipe with all schedule 160 fittings then you will need to spend extra money to taper bore the fittings.

"material of pipe should be same as of fittings & valves used" Here again it is not mandatory but it is strongly recommended. In some cases you might be able to build something but then you would not be able to get a licence to start it up and operate it. If you did start it up it might blow up before it got up to full operating pressure and temperature.

You need to find a well educated, trained, experienced and qualified Piping Material Engineer to guide you in this area.

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Re: Piping connection

11/02/2008 12:21 AM

See the following CR4 Thread piping.

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Re: Piping Specification Requirements

11/02/2008 9:13 AM

Piping systems are defined by the Piping Specification for the particular system or part of a system involved. The locations where things change are called 'spec breaks' for short.

The piping specification will call out what material, what pressure class, what connection procedure, etc. is required for that particular section of piping. The Piping Designer who creates the Pipe Spec has to choose the materials, etc. based on the Materials of Construction flow diagram prepared by the Process Engineers- on which are specified the materials to be used, the temperature and pressures of operation, the material contained by the piping, as well as any non-ordinary, but expected conditions that must be considered in designing the piping.

For instance, piping containing liquid propane is usually ordinary mild carbon steel. However, if there is a situation that would have the propane boiling (evaporating ) in that section, it is possible the temperature could fall as low as -40 due to the refrigerating effect. For those potential conditions, special steel that retains good ductility at low temperatures is necessary to avoid brittle fracture.

ALWAYS follow the Piping Specification. If your are charged with DEVELOPING a piping specification, you MUST greatly increase your body of knowledge. THis is a life safety critical document and your question indicates you have not been trained in this area.

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Re: Piping Specification Requirements

11/03/2008 6:09 PM

That's not true. You can use ordinary a106 piping even below -40, it depends on the stress and application. I've used a106 on ethylene flare lines down to -125F for over 30 years.

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