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Fluorescent Dimmers

11/14/2008 8:52 AM

I am using screw in florescent flood bulbs that are dimmable. and am dimming them with a regular 1000 watt luton dimmer. they do dim but not properly. do i need a florescent dimmer for these.

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Re: florescent dimmers

11/14/2008 9:12 AM

I do not think so. It may have to do with the difference in watt usage.

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Re: florescent dimmers

11/14/2008 11:41 PM

I think this is a case of too much information

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Re: florescent dimmers

11/14/2008 10:10 AM

I don't have direct experience with dimmable fluorescents, but I do know a bit about them. You will never get the same level of dimming from a dimmable florescent bulb, because of how a florescent works. There is a minimum threshold on the tube to "fluoresce", or ionize the gas in the tube. Once you drop below that threshold, you get no light, not less light. I think those dimmable CFL's should state the % of dimming that's available, otherwise people will be taking them back to the store, thinking they are defective, because they don't work like the incandescent that they replaced. I do believe the "dimmable" tubes available in the stores today are intended to be used with the common dimmers available today, they are just not going to work like an incandescent.

I'm waiting on LED technology, dimmable LED lights will behave much more like incandescents, although it may mean new dimmers in the wall, we'll just have to wait an see.

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Re: florescent dimmers

11/14/2008 11:11 AM

Thank you for the info

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11/14/2008 8:28 PM

In fact, he can buy a dimmer ballast on the market for his flourescent. This ballast use frequency variable to change tube's flux. every year this ballast made in china export to world wide.

LED dimmer is different f rom incandescent lamp, which is use PWM way to change led lighting intensity. whereas incandescent is power modification way, means change control angle of scr to change lighting of lamp. of cause it can also change in the way of PwM.

lots of chip for selection now on the market. some of them can change each ed brightness. some of them are expensive, in fact you can build up by other cheaper pwm chip. not difficult.

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11/15/2008 10:04 AM

"In fact, he can buy a dimmer ballast on the market for his fluorescent."

But with the screw-in compact fluorescent he's using, the ballast is already built into the base.

Ron

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12/22/2008 12:33 AM

See here: www.elecosn.com

Here are dimmable LED Bulb, and LED incandescent bulb

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12/22/2008 9:10 AM

what he wanted is fluorescent, not led bulb.

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11/16/2008 10:50 PM

As was mentioned fluorescents do not dim in the same way incandescents do. They also only work properly with trailing edge dimmers. If they are flickering you may have a leading edge dimmer. In this part of the world AUs NZ they only make trailing edge dimmers to 450w the 1000w units are all leading edge and wont dim fluorescents properly. This may be your problem.

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11/17/2008 6:51 AM

"splain" please for a Mech eng Leading vs trailing??

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Re: Fluorescent Dimmers

11/17/2008 9:43 AM

Your typical store bought dimmer works by chopping up the incoming power into smaller and smaller pieces. Consequently, you can sometimes hear an audible noise they induce upon the load. An incandescent lamp doesn't mind this because the coil takes a relatively long amount of time to cool off between (pulses) bursts of power.

But a screw in fluorescent has to convert the incoming AC power into DC and then back into a higher frequency AC drive signal to operate the lamp. If you provide a chopped up (non sinusoidal) input to this device the high frequency components of the chopped signal will slip right past the filtering devices provided in the internal ballast. Opperating a two terminal "screw in fluorescent" will lead to destruction of the ballast circuit and probably a fire hazard. There is likely a label on the dimmer that tells you this.

A dimmable fluorescent ballast uses a DC control input that has a maximum of 5 VDC or 10 VDC depending on the manufacturer. An external DC power supply or variable resistance device is used to control the brightness. This needs to be on the order of 10Kohms. This special ballast provides a fixed amount of power to the coils inside the fluorescent lamp because a minimum electrode temperature must be maintained at any power level. If you rob the coil of this power, the plasma inside the lamp will evaporate all of the emitter coating and cause an abbreviated life to occur.

The only compact fluorescent lamps that operate on a dimmable ballast have four pins connecting to the two coils inside the lamp. Any other connection of less than four pins is not dimmable by design.

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Re: Fluorescent Dimmers

12/22/2008 10:26 AM

the bulbs need to be burnt in. you cannot run the bulbs right out of the box in the dimming mode. they need some hours on the bulbs before you can dim them. I found this out the hard way. if you dimm them right out of the box they will flicker and you burn some out.

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12/22/2008 2:05 PM

100 hours at full rated power is the manufacturers recommendation!

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