A Break-through in Energy Resources

Hi, No.1 student,

Your image in your post appears thus:

... which makes your text pretty meaningless.

Did you use the image insertion tool:

... when creating your post? Generally, copy & paste doesn't work for CR4 posts, even though it may appear OK on your system.

Without a diagram, it's pretty hard to tell what you're doing, but if down is 9x up, you've found a curl in the gravitational field and you're likely standing way too close to a black hole or other anomaly. Please provide more details.

another one who disappeared to the shadow universe

we should add a note to the experiment description: turn the valve clockwise always clockwise.

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For discussion, here's the OP as it probably should have appeared:

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1. Draw water up as a doctor does medicine with a syringe by valve A, meantime valve B open, valve C closed. 2. Let the water in the cylinder out. (valve B closed, valve C open) 3. Press valve A to the cylinder bottom, close valve C, open valve B. 4. Recycle the operation continually. The experiment suggests E1=W(up)=G(water)h(1m), E2=W(down)=G(water)H(9m), The energy we get should be: E=E2-E1-W(other waste). E2=9E1; W(other waste)=E1/1000"

[Sorry - but I can't be ar*ed with the discussion - JDG]

OK: why do you think that the 9m column of water weights so little?

How would what you propose be any different to say: having a nine metre chain on a cog with a handle: lift the chain up to the top platform then allow the chain to fall back down whilst doing some work.

Suppose that the top cylinder and pipe were of the same diameter (to keep things simple). How much force would you need to apply to raise the hook?

I would be very interested to know what is the domain where you are a student. If by any chance you study mechanics I would suggest you take your book and have a look at the chapters energy, work, power and if you are more advanced look a bit toward fields and equipotential surfaces. It will help you determine by your self where is the flaw of your thoughts.

OK. Since you're a student, you need to learn out to analyze something like this.

Use actual dimensions for everything.

Use a weight suspended around a pulley to lift the piston at A. Calculate the size of the weight.

Let the water drop back to the reservoir and calculate whether that generates enough force to lift the pulley weight back to the starting position.

Please post if you get stuck on doing that.

where are you lost in calculation: the air pressure will push the water up so that is will follow the piston which moves up. (Situation 1.) The force that you have to overcome is the same air pressure that tries to push the piston back down. (there will be a lower pressure below the piston as above)

This is the input of energy to get the system rolling.

You will find that you can get exactly this energy back by allowing the water to deliver energy while going down in situation 2.

You setup can work as a perpetual mobile, as long as you can realise a 100% efficacy of water to mechanical work and no friction in the valve/water column system.

As a number 1 student you should have made you're selves the statement: This is impossible as stated by the laws of thermodynamics. It can't be that I'm the first to come with this idea. So: where is my error. What did I forget?

"So: where is my error. What did I forget?"

Let's see: frictional losses, the fact that 9 meters of water is a 9 meter head of water regardless of the Ø of the column, air resistance in both directions, ah hell, what do I know, unlike the OP, I was never the no. 1 student in school; I was just good in science. Maybe that's why I cannot comprehend why perpetual motion and over-unity devices are not only possible, but actually exist, only they have been suppressed by some sort of international conspiracy: unlike these guys, I can only study the problem scientifically. Then again, maybe that's why he's the no.1 student and we're not; without caring, or possibly even knowing that it's impossible, he succeeded in creating a perpetual motion device.

This look like simple hand waterpump to me, where armpower is used.

Since picture is not supplied and description does not reveal it, it is not clear what is pulling PISTON A wrongly described as valve, as it can only be allways closed, and any opening or closing is not mentioned. If some weight is supposed to pull piston A up, then work has been done by lifting this weight, and even if we imagine that water from cylinder was transfered to a bucket which would go down pulled by gravity and perhaps pull weight up again again some force should be expended to overturn this bucket and s return water in reservoir from which it was drawn. Valves opening and closing can go automatically but use energy too........Other mentioned energy loses would preclude even functioning in cycles, even without energy drain for usefull work, which is not mentioned at all.........

So, what is it supposed to be?

Closest system that I could compare it is just hand waterpump..........