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Ottawa Sands API Equiv.

12/13/2008 12:32 AM

Is there an API spec equal to Ottawa Sand ? Where can I find it ?

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12/13/2008 12:45 AM
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12/14/2008 12:04 PM
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12/14/2008 1:40 PM

Hello Raknruin,

I have found a detail on 'Frac' sand, which is by an Oil and Gas company, but, they mine their own sand etc.

I have sent you just the detail where it is mentioned the Frac sand 'gold' standard API20/40 mesh. is the same as Ottawa white silica sand.

Please note. There is two almost identical standars........

One uses the words White Silica Sand.

The other uses Brown Sand.

The white silica sand is the strongest and the term Ottawa and API white silica sand mesh 20/40 and listed as the same.

I do not know why you need to know this standard detail. Can you tell me?

The text under this line is what I pasted from the web site.

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Unimin and U.S. Silica White

Chances are your service company has at least some weekly allocation of the gold standard in frac sand, API white 20/40 mesh sand. The name Ottawa gets added to this sand but in reality the sand may come from either U.S. Silica's Ottawa, Illinois mine or Unimin's Kasota, Minnesota facility. Either way, the sand is the best there is for maximizing fracture conductivity. Ottawa sands also are available in smaller mesh sizes like API 30/50 mesh and 40/70 mesh. 30/50 could replace 20/40 in most shallow applications and deeper applications. 40/70 mesh sand is the workhorse sand of the Barnett Shale but is not used very much here, but it could be used more in my opin- ion. Oglebay Norton Brady Brown Oglebay Norton has industrial sand operations in Brady and Voca, Texas. The brown sand mined at Brady has been a staple in the oil & gas stimulation business for a long time. Your service company may have some

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IOGA N E W S 10 Industry News API brown 20/40 sand. It does not hold up the same as Ottawa sand at higher closure stresses. This would be an excellent alternative to Ottawa sand for nearly all applications. Wedron White Fairmount Minerals has a mine in the St. Peter deposit (Ottawa source) that is pretty much the same as Unimin's and U.S. Silica's sands mentioned earlier Unfortunately for us, very little is available in 20/40 mesh because most of this sand ends up resin coated and in Santrol's product line, since Fairmount Minerals owns both Wedron Miner- als and Santrol. Wedron Silica Company probably provides some high quality API 30/50 mesh sand to the Northeast.

I hope you find this is whay you need. It is not a 'standards agency' talking about this sand but they are proffesionals.

Take care and let me know if this helps......Happy holiday..........

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12/14/2008 9:55 PM

Hi there Babybear.

You may have explained why the whole question has arisen. People are looking for alternatives and if the Gold Standard material -- Ottawa Sand-- is on allocation, it might explain the interest.

But in any case, I did not understand what it was, being more familiar with API specs.

You can talk to me at fluidcon1@yahoo.co.uk if that is of any assistance.

Happy Christmas to you anyway. And many thanks.

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12/14/2008 10:14 PM

Hello Raknruin,

Can you tell me what exactly you do not understand?

Did you go to the site ? You will need to go down to page 9 and it follows on to page ten. It describes the grades of sand they have and the high demand for the Ottawa sand.

Can you tell me what you are studying?

When you say I may have explained why the whole question has arisen, do you mean the selling of non Ottawa sand, as Ottawa sand?

Because it is said that the 'API standard 20/40 mesh' is the same a Ottawa sand.

Are you saying you do not know what the mesh numbers mean? It does say that 'brown sand of 20/40 mesh is not so strong. It may be down to an irregularity of shape in the brown sand grains?

Get back to me with details of what you are doing in your study and exactly 'why' you are asking these questions?

Take care and have a great holiday..................

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12/15/2008 11:54 AM

Hi Babybear,

The shortage info you offered, which you did not copy but is at the beginning of the document you so very kindly provided, may well explain why there is a sourcing problem and therefore why I am being pressured for an equivalent from somewhere else !

That I think is as much as I can say at this time.

Still another week to go here. Happy Christmas and a Merry New Year.

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12/15/2008 12:06 PM

Hello Raknruin,

I understand. I think you can see why I did not copy the whole page? It was about 30 pages long!

Although it is not a standards agency, it does work to known standards of the white silica sand 200/400 mesh etc which seems to be allied to the API.

As long as you can source a clean, non dusty washed, well graded silica sand, and as you would have seen there is perhaps about 6 different grades of silica sand alone, then whatever you need it for will be safe, as they are working to the API standard, even though it may be known by another name in different countries, or different parts of the US?

You know you can alway PM? Just a thought.

Take care and happy holiday.....................

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12/17/2008 10:51 PM

"Hear and you forget; see and you remember ; do and you understand". I was puzzled by the reference to Emerson ! Actually it is Confucius.

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12/18/2008 12:25 AM

Hello Raknruin,

how are you?

I actually have two sayings/proverbs. The second is:

"Common sense is genius dressed in its working clothes."

<> Ralph Waldo Emerson.

I liked both and think they apply as much now as they did originally.

Take care...................

Have a wonderful holiday.....................

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12/14/2008 1:48 PM

Hello Raknruin,

I forgot to paste the very long address of this company. It is just to allow you to check if need be OK?

http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:AdAHrWCuQbsJ:www.iogawv.com/newsFiles/newsletterjuly05.pdf+API+spec+equal+to+Ottawa+Sand&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=uk

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12/15/2008 9:27 AM

If you are also looking for Ottawa Silica Sand, you can find it at Paul N. Gardner Co., Inc. A 50 # bag costs $52.00, US. 800-762-2478.

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12/15/2008 9:36 AM

Hello Cardio07:

Thanks for the info' it is bound to be of interest to others viewing the site who may not even join?

I was helping the OP as they were not sure if 'Ottawa sand was equal to an API standard. I found it was equal to the API standard for 200/400 mesh silica sand.

I have yet to hear back as to just why they should need this info'.

Take care and happy holiday...................

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04/03/2009 12:44 AM

A Mexican gentleman contacted me direct and I need to get to talk to him asap. I have no record just a memory. Reference Ottawa Sand quality

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