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Calling All Power Plant Engineers

12/24/2008 5:57 AM

hai,

in boiler cooling condition, unfortunately forget the opening of super heater vents and drum vents.,

how it will effect on the system.

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12/24/2008 4:17 PM

After blow down, if vents are not opened, the boiler cooling would create a vacuum inside the boiler, then later on when somebody removed an manhole door for inspection they would be drawn into the boiler, being severely injured if not killed.

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Re: Calling All Power Plant Engineers

12/25/2008 12:29 AM

kindly give correct answer

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12/25/2008 1:35 AM

And what is the correct answer, I would also like to know.

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12/25/2008 1:57 AM

Dear Guest,

Hope you are not the same person with the original who posted the question (eswararoy), jdretired give correct practical answer best on his knowledge, what you should ask is, "please kindly add more detailed answer". a lot of member will add on this question to contribute for sure don't worry. your words sounds concluding jtretired answer is wrong? if you are member of our group please don't hide under guest name, register under your name please so we can know you better. happy new year in advance!

(i'll rate this off topic myself since it is not related for the original question, just a friendly reminder)

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12/25/2008 2:39 AM

Thank you for your support, I was starting to wonder if he was referring to an even cooling and expansion, but then thinking that English may not be his first language he may have been asking for more detail?

Thank you JD.

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12/25/2008 3:11 AM

it's not a problem, i always support the member especially we are here to assist base on our knowledge and capability, by giving them some useful information and advise. however we are not saying our response is most 101 % correct, but for sure would help. nice to meet you jdretired. why jdretired? do you mean you are now retired? if that so, I can get and learned more from you. happy new year!!

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12/25/2008 4:23 AM

Yes I am retired, 70yrs old this year. Getting a bit rusty as it is over 20yrs since I left the power industry, so I try to be careful when giving advice. Happy new year to your self and family.

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12/25/2008 2:50 PM

ok

sir

sorry , i am asking about water tube boilers.,

i think your answer is suitable for fired tube boilers.

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12/25/2008 2:28 AM

Hi eswararoy,

I believed you are employed and working at Engineering and Maintenance department of one big hotel or establishment as noticed you also have posted about reverse power on turbo generator, if I'm correct then we're both the same.

Usually our machineries are supplied and installed and up to handover equipt with safety, operation and parts manuals which is not only very essential, but must be a requirements. most of the issue are there, however in some reason it was not available you can instantly google it and if you find you are not so satisfied or not so clear or some curiosity on the result then we can ask for more detail answer from the the member which are well verse on the topic you posted.

My point is as in Engineering and Maintenance Department, Safety Operation and Parts manual is a must, this serve as the holy bible of our maintenance staff to guide them the proper handling, repair and maintenance etc. in accordance with manufacturer standard. Happy new!!!

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12/25/2008 12:49 PM

Failing to open the air vents means the two drums did not empty quickly, having to wait for air to bubble up through the tubes. This slow emptying may leave 'mud' in the drums.

It will not cause any mechanical damage since the vessels are much stronger than required to withstand full vacuum. (Typically, design for 50PSIG will result in full vacuum capability)

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Re: Calling All Power Plant Engineers

12/26/2008 5:11 AM

hallo.

If u forget to open the vent of super heater and drum during boiler cooling then vaccum will create inside the drum and tubes, which will cause the shrinkage of drum and tubes.

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12/26/2008 7:23 AM

Hi Umeshgupta,

Your answer contradict on Kieth E Bowers, however on my opinion as although i never experience on my boiler, otherwise my Boiler attendant will be reprimanded as this should considered as negligence,I understand that this was taken into account during the design stage, that at any instance the attendant can forget to open the vent of super heater and drum, I believed that if this will give sudden effect to the unit in the event of negligence, then they already supposedly fitted some sorts of safety device . So I should agree with Kieth that the vessel are much stronger than required to withstand full vacuum.(if I'm not mistaken 1.5 higher than design operating pressure minimum). this is safety design consideration. although if the situation becomes a common practice of the boiler attendant, I would say there will be a bad effect on the unit of course, try your car keep on over heating 4 times a day due to the continual neglect of your driver, I don't think your car will last for 1 month. in short, Kieth and you got some point.

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12/27/2008 4:13 AM

You will draw a vacuum and damage the boiler and drums. If you pull a good vacuum you may find the "stays" punching thru the drum. A boiler is designed to contain pressure. Pulling a vacuum creates forces that are opposite to its design. I have seen pressure vessels crushed like a soda can after pulling a vacuum.

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