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Blocked Orifice Plate

01/17/2009 6:13 AM

Hi,

I would like to know. What would be the outcome if the bore of an orifice plate in a process pipe get blocked by mud, thereby pushing the pressure on the high side of the pressure transmitter up to the line (upstream) pressure and very low or no pressure on the low (downstream) side.

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Re: Blocked Orifice Plate

01/18/2009 5:23 AM

Depending on the process it could be catastrophic. Upstream pressure could cause pipes to burst if the blockage is too great to be forced through the orifice. Downstream a lack of flow could cause cavitation in pumps (if they are part of the process) or other similar problems. More information is necessary to give a more insightful answer.

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Re: Blocked Orifice Plate

01/19/2009 8:01 AM

Hi,

The electric pump is on the upstream side of the orifice plate (It pushes and not pulling on the process fluid). We are using the differential pressure to calculate flow ( it,s a 3051CD Rosemount transmitter). It has not happened ( yet ! ! ). But I was wondering, if the orifice plate gets blocked by a mud, wouldn,t the transmitter give us a false DP due to the high side impuls line now been at the same pressure with the upstream side ( No pressure on downstream side ).

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01/19/2009 8:27 AM

Dorsey,

I am more of a hydraulics person than an instrumentation person but I believe you are corrent in your assumption. Others on the board seem to be more knowledgeable about instrumentation. Good luck.

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Re: Blocked Orifice Plate

01/19/2009 8:53 AM

Let me rephrase that, I don't know that it would 'falsely high' since there would be a higher pressure upstream due to the blockage.

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#8
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Re: Blocked Orifice Plate

01/19/2009 8:44 AM

Normally in a process plant a single water pump will cater to many applications and the pressure will be steady.

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Re: Blocked Orifice Plate

01/18/2009 10:58 AM

I presume you meant the effect on the transmitter,not other processes up or downstream.It all depends on the brand and type of transmitter you are using.Some of the old pneumatic ones would rupture a diaphragm and fail, but some of the new models can tolerate up to 10000 psi overload.Check the specs from the manufacturer.

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Re: Blocked Orifice Plate

01/18/2009 1:04 PM

Segmental ???

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Re: Blocked Orifice Plate

01/18/2009 9:07 PM

concentric?

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Re: Blocked Orifice Plate

01/19/2009 1:04 PM

Coz Mud

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Re: Blocked Orifice Plate

01/18/2009 11:25 PM

Downstream pressure will definetely drop causing problem for the application which uses this water. A flow switch or a pressure switch will identify this problem. But up stream pressure normally will not be affected unless it is a positive displacement pump and this is the only outlet. Normally in a process plant a single water pump will cater to many applications and the pressure will be steady.

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Re: Blocked Orifice Plate

01/29/2009 4:17 AM

You will see more flow than the normal conditions or overflow error i think,you can watch the recorder history for a sudden change in the flow. Or you can connect to the tx with HART protocol and see what's going on with the static pressures on the high and low sensor sides.You can look for the errors if there're. Or another method; you can make some balance calculations involved with the input and output of the system and say whether there's a wrong flow or not.

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