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Gray Water System

01/29/2009 11:39 AM

I have read some of the grey water forums. I have several statements and questions for feed back.

what I am going to do is water my plants ( I have a lage yard)

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my wife does laundry 3 times a day, famialy of 5 all showers, guest house (shower only)

plumbed for gray water, showers guset house shower, laundry

I have 2 thoughts 1 is to have the water dispursed once used and filtered to plants, so any time a shower or laundry is used it is on (slump pump) the problem is I have six zones and timming for each zone and time of day (summer is really hot, =more water=more of the time)

ther other way is to get a holding tank (say 250gal above ground) but my next problem is activating a pump and timer (unless off the same timer) for all the zones.

If I run out of grey water, how to back up with fresh? (directly into tank? a pool leveler in tank to activate fresh? and of course contamination (don't want that)

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so here it is what I think I have figured out, I have 2 to 4 pipes (showers, laundry)

going into a 55 gal tank (could be smaller) with a screen filter (like a pool removable fine mesh)that the water pours into before going to the bottom. Next a slump pump is activated (option one) to tie to garden water lines (submirged heads to plants) or (option 2) the water is pumped into a tank (above ground) to be held until water time and then disbursed to zones. like I said the problem for me is pump to timer to zones to fresh water back up (unless I have 500 gal tank)

Let me know your thoughts , I look foward to the replyies! thanks scott woodward

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Re: Gray Water System

01/30/2009 12:46 AM

Welcome to the forum and "Good first post". Plenty of detail, ideas explained as you can, good stuff.

First response with grey water is you MUST be aware of your local regulations on handling of such water. Each municipality has different regulations and so any response here can only be taken as general advice.

To get an idea of how big your "reservoir" needs to be, measure your actual water usage in liters/gals per day. You will be surprised, but I'm guessing from what you've described you will be around 300 gal/day for your domestic use. I'm not suggesting you have a reservoir, but if you go that way, you'll need this information.

The "benchmark" systems that I've seen have a diverter imediately after the waste trap for the gray water outlets. That diverter performs two very important functions.

Firstly it has a filter in the path that leads to your garden to catch hair, lint and anything else that would clog your outlets.

Secondly, it is designed such that if your storage fills, then any excess water is shunted into the sewer per normal conditions.

Next, "Gray water becomes foul water if stored." Unless you have a custom designed (read high cost) system, then any storage will become contaminated/fermented and very unpleasant.

Again, the benchmark systems that I've seen all have burried pipes (Permanent instalation) typically 50mm ID (2" for the American readers) that are "leaky" where the water is to be released. The pipes are gravity filled from the diverter and the volume of pipe in the system represents the storage capacity of the system. There is NO tank.

If the ground is wet, then soakage is slower, the pipes fill and water diverts to sewer. If the ground is dry, the water is soaked in deep in the root zones and the pipes are empty ready for the next dump of water.

No tanks, no pumps, no taps, no cross linking to any potable water system, self sustaining.

Simple is often the best.

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01/30/2009 1:32 AM

I have my gray water piped in several direstions. One line to a 2500 gal tank I bought and one line to the garden buried with access points so I can run drip lines to the plants, and one line out so the water drains past the peach trees, apple trees and the blue berry patch then to the cat fish pond and a line to the stawberry patch.

I use an old 12 volt boat motor to stir up the tank then use the water from the tank to spray the fruit trees for those darn worms that eat the leaves and spray the garden for bugs. I draw that water from the bottom of the tank.

I can use my sprayer pump to irrigate if the weather get too dry. I have a valve installed about 3ft up on the side of the tank to draw water from. The soaps and stuff settles close to the bottom and rain water help cut down the concentration.

Kids doing laundry can mess the whole thing up uising too much soap or bleach.

The house is on a Knoll and everything else is 30 to 100 feet lower in elevation plus I have a freash water supply from a mountian spring.

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01/30/2009 4:21 AM

Be careful what you irrigate.

Vegetables can be polluted with "bugs".

Grey water can make soil alkaline.

I like it for bananas. They like alkaline soil, the fruit doesn't come in contact with the water, so no problem with bugs, they seem able to take as much water as you can give them, but are fairly drought tolerant.

With some plants (fruit trees, bananas, etc) the stray items like fluff, hair, soap etc are no real problem and you can just feed it straight to the trees without signifiacnt screening or filtration. In this case it is a good idea to introduce it underneath mulch.

Good luck with your project.

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01/30/2009 7:16 AM

So far the Soap spray in my dirty water that only comes from the washing machine, sinks, and the rain gutters. I spray the ground after I turn it with a plowand then again like a barrier after knocking it down with a disk. Then one last soapy spray after the crop breaks ground and we have been thru the rows with a tiller.

Beans do great, squash's seem to take a little hit but recover and corn, potatoes, onions and peppers just ignor it. We grow 40 - 300 ft rows of beans. Mostly climbers who run up strings dropped from a wire 5 to 6 ft high. I mount sprinkler heads on the post along the rows and from there I control all sprays after the crops get up high.

Just 10 ac of veggies feed my family and most of our realtives with lots left over.

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01/30/2009 5:04 AM

If I run out of grey water, how to back up with fresh?

If local regs allow, can you introduce fresh water into a pump-pit as (show in this link ) ? Top up (with fresh water) could be float regulated, and independent of zone distribution via individaul valve + timers.

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Re: Gray Water System

01/30/2009 9:13 AM

thanks for all the great responce, item 2 is there a valve (anti back flush valve)

explanation= I am going to hook up to an existing sprinkler line, on the far end of the run and put the valve next to the sprinkler auto valve (fresh water and so it does not go in the valve its self) it 3/4 sch 40 PVC

thanks scott

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