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Carbon Content in Steel

02/08/2009 11:10 PM

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How much carbon content will be in steel?

And when we heat the steel for certain temperature the material properities will change?

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Re: How much carbon content will be in steel

02/09/2009 12:01 AM
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Re: How much carbon content will be in steel

02/09/2009 3:00 AM

Refer to Iron-Carbon diagram in any Metallurgy book.

These will also feature the Heat treatment of steel and the resultant changes and what change at what temperature.

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Re: Carbon Content in Steel

02/09/2009 11:02 PM

Steel could have until 1.7% of carbon, more than that is not steel any more:the alloy bears until 6.67% of carbon and i think "cast iron" is the english name for that.Don't need high temperatures to obtain big changes in the material:it could loss its better qualities and is said "it was burnst" just heat again to the proper temperature and get cold fast to get it well again,course just people with experience do that properly.this just for starting...You should study the diagrams appears in site cited by guest.-

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02/09/2009 11:29 PM

well it depends on your application use. what do you plan to use the iron for?

the wikipedia link has some useful general information

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02/10/2009 8:02 AM

To make underware. You have no idea what you are talking about. Let it go.

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02/10/2009 8:08 AM

No hard words please

On one angle E was correct-

OP asked how much % in steel ?

That of course depends on intended use. (Some of us will take the literal meanings too.)

Just a thoght - sometimes I am arguing like you (guest not Guest. ) then trying to mediate. Typical mentality.

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Re: Carbon Content in Steel

02/10/2009 1:21 AM

Carbon steel can be classified into :

- Low carbon: to 0.30 %C (very low 0.15 %C and mild steel 0.15-0.30 %C)

- Medium carbon: 0.30 - 0.45 %C

- High carbon: more than 0.45 %C

• Low Carbon Steels

- In general, steels with carbon contents to 0.30% are readily joined by all common arc welding processes. These grades account for the greatest tonnage of steels used in welded structures. Typical applications include tanks, structural assemblies, vessels, machine bases, earth moving and agricultural equipment, and general weldments.

- Steels with very low carbon contents to 0.13% are good welding steels, but they are not the best for high speed production welding. The low carbon content and the low manganese content (to 0.30%) tend to produce internal porosity. This condition is usually corrected by modifying the welding procedure slightly - usually by using a slower speed.

If the presence of some internal porosity has no detrimental effect on service requirements of the assembly, standard high speed welding procedures can be used.

Steels with very low carbon content are more ductile and easier to form than higher carbon steels. They are used for applications requiring considerable cold forming, such as stampings or rolled or formed shapes.

- Steels with 0.15 to 0.20 % carbon content have excellent weldability. They seldom require anything beyond standard welding procedures, and they can be welded with all types of mild steel electrodes. These steels should be used for max. production speed on assemblies or structures that require extensive welding.

- Steels at the upper end of the low carbon range 0.25 to 0.30 % carbon content have very good weldability, but when one or more of the elements is on the high side of permissible limits, cracking can results, particularly in fillet welds. With slightly reduced speeds and currents, any of the standard electrodes can be used for these steels.

If some of the elements - particularly carbon, silicon or sulfur - are on the high side of the limits, surface holes may form. Reducing current and speed minimizes this problem.

Although most welding applications of these steels require no preheating, heavy sections (2" or more) and certain joint configurations may require a preheat. Less preheating is required when low hydrogen processes are used.

In general, steels in the 0.25 to 0.30% carbon range should be welded with low hydrogen electrodes or with a low hydrogen process if the temp. is below 50 oF.

Medium and High Carbon Steels

Because hardenability of steel increases with carbon content, the medium and high carbon steels serve where hardness, wear resistance or higher strength are needed. Important uses for medium carbon steels (to 0.45%) include wear plates, springs and components for railroad, agricultural, and earth moving and materials handling equipment.

Unfortunately, the same characteristics that make these steels so suitable for use in rugged parts and structures make them more difficult and costly to weld. The medium carbon steels can be welded successfully, however, provided proper procedures and preheat and interpass temperatures are used. Sometimes, postweld stress relief may be required.

The high carbon steels are almost always used in a hardened condition. Typical applications are for metalworking and woodworking tools, drills, dies, and knives, and for abrasion resistant parts such as plowshares and scraper blades. Some farm equipment is built from rerolled rail stock (0.65 %C), which is welded in the as-rolled condition, using preheating, interpass heating, and postweld stress relief.

Hardness of these steels can range from dead soft in the annealed condition to Rockwell C 65 (with rapid quench treatment) for the higher carbon grades. Although an AISI 1020 steel can be made as hard as Rc 50, hardness is very shallow. Increased carbon content increases depth of hardening and max. attainable hardness to about Rc 65.

Alloying elements increase depth of hardening but have little effect on max. hardness possible.

It is advisable to make sample weld tests to determine cracking tendencies of steels containing 0.30% or more carbon. If such tendencies are apparent, preheating of the steel may be necessary to retard the cooling rate from the welding temp. Required preheat temp. varies with analysis, size, and shape of the steel and with the amount of heat input from the welding process.

In general, the higher the carbon or alloy content and the thicker the plate, the higher the preheat temp. needed to provide the slow cooling rate required to prevent hardening.

Use of low hydrogen processes can minimize the degree of preheating necessary and can eliminate the need for preheating entirely in thinner materials. As a rule of thumb, preheat temp. used with low hydrogen electrodes can be 100 to 200 oF lower than those needed for electrodes other than low hydrogen.

• Carbon Equivalent & Amount of Preheat Required

There are many equations (differed by the used code) to calculate the carbon equivalent Ceq used to determine the amount of preheat for carbon steel material,

Ceq = %C + %Mn/6 + %Ni/15 + %Mo/4 + %Cr/4 + %Cu/13 (the ASME code may be have another eqn.)

- This formula is valid only if the alloy contents are less than the following :

0.50% C, 3.5% Ni, 1.00% Cr, 1.60% Mn, 0.60% Mo & 1.00% Cu

- Approximate preheat and interpass temperatures, based on carbon-equivalent values for steels, are :

Ceq up to 0.45% . . . . . . . . . . . . preheat is optional

Ceq = 0.45 to 0.60% . . . . . . . . . . 200 to 400 oF

Ceq over 0.60% . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400 to 700 oF

- Since all of the welding heat input at the arc does not enter the plate, the following heat inefficiencies are suggested for use with the formula :

75 - 80% for manual welding

90 - 100% for submerged-arc welding

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02/10/2009 1:59 PM

Nicely Done, Abdel Halim Galala!

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no mention of welding, weldability etc in op .

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02/10/2009 9:25 PM

perhaps.

Or perhaps that "change of properties when the temperature increases implies a thermal (heating process," which our esteemed Abdel Halim Galala inferred to be a likely possibility that the OP might have a welding ( high temperature process) operation in mind.

It is no crime to provide more information, by making inferences about the OP's intent, particularly if that advice will "Protect the OP" from anticipatable consequences of what they might be proposing.

I complimented Mssr. Galala, because he answered better and more completely than I probably would have had I been first to respond. Having read his response, I had nothing to add.

If there were a CR4 dictionary entry for "professionalism in Steel" Mssr. Galala's photo would be the illustration, followed by that of Kwetz. These guys give answers that you can take to the bank. (not that that means much these days...)

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02/11/2009 2:02 AM

My dear Milo,

Thank you very much, I have nothing to say other than you said.

But, I'd like to add that the following phrases were derived at my post #5 relating to welding and weldability:

- In general, steels with carbon contents to 0.30% are readily joined by all common arc welding processes.

- Steels with very low carbon contents to 0.13% are good welding steels, but they are not the best for high speed production welding.

- Steels with 0.15 to 0.20 % carbon content have excellent weldability.

- In general, steels in the 0.25 to 0.30% carbon range should be welded with low hydrogen electrodes or with a low hydrogen process if the temp. is below 50 oF.

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01/20/2010 12:30 AM

Dear Sir,

I am working in panel industry where we use cold rolled cold annealed sheet steel. what does this mean and what is the advantage over hot rolled. what is the advantage of annealing ?

Sorry to ask this question. I am an electrical engineer. Please help

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01/20/2010 12:19 PM

When the metal is rolled at a temperature below the critical temperature it is called cold rolled (and above it is hot rolled).

In the cold rolled process, the metal/alloy ahs already crystallised and grains have formed. So when you roll it, these grains deform/split into smaller grains. This increases its strength and hardness (and also makes it a bit more brittle)

Hot rolling is above the recryst temperature, the metal is soft, and hence easily rolled. The grains are not yet formed hence the advantages (and the disadvantages- proneness to crack) with the cold rolling do not exist.

The cold ? Annealing after this will again soften the product and will remove the directions of the grain. In the extreme case it may become again like hot rolled steel sheet. However usually it is not done to that extent, and you get a stronger than hot rolled strip, with a bit of compromise on ductility.

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01/20/2010 9:06 PM

Simple answer Cold rolling means tolerances will be tighter than hot rolled. (gage or thickness will be in better statistical control. I do not know what you mean by "cold annealed" As annealled implies heat, but annealling process softens the material by reducing hardness and restores ductility. So I would say that by ordering a cold rolled annealed sheet I get the best surface finish, best dimensional control, improved mechanical properties (somewhat higher yield strength to tensile strength ratio) compared to hot rolled sheet. The anneal will allow the recovery of some of the ductility that was lost in cold rolling. Milo

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02/14/2009 1:08 AM

Thanks Mr.AHG

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02/12/2010 4:49 AM

Good places to find compostion and info on steel specification (obviously showing carbon contents) are:-

www.namtec.co.uk/

www.mi-21.com/

www.bssa.org.uk/

www.westyorkssteel.com

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02/10/2009 2:34 AM

Have a look at these page, especially the one of key to metals..you'll find the answer to your question:

http://www.azom.com/details.asp?ArticleID=400#_Low_Carbon_Content

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02/10/2009 5:46 AM

Since we are still talking let me provide some useful links

www.depauw.edu/acad/chemistry/bgourley/Chem362/Fe-C%20Phase.pps

http://www.moldmakingtechnology.com/articles/110002.html

http://www.cn-steelpipe.net/stainless-steel-news/FKJK7.html

http://www.msmw.com/Basic%20heat-treating%20of%20Carbon%20Steel.pdf

There are a lot more this is only the tip of the iceberg that is the Fe-C solid solution. The problem is the total information ahs to be studied and can not be shared. We can only help in clearing some confusion but not the basics.

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03/10/2009 6:00 AM

Thanks sb, good links..

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01/20/2010 11:29 PM

Dear All,

Thank you so much to all for your answers and rejuvenating the knowledge which i had forgotten over a period of time. Thank you Mr. SB and Mr. Ahmed.

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