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Pipe Wall Thickness and Welding Process

03/09/2009 8:04 PM

please i )can any one tell about SCH40 , SCH 80 for the pipe wall thickness. ii)can you define also 3G 4G 5G and 6G welding process. iii)In welding plate why we are taking V groove for below 10mm?Why shouldnot take U butt joint. Please compare this?

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03/09/2009 10:14 PM

Answer : Yes we can (for all.)

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03/09/2009 10:45 PM

1) For the pipe thickness - google ANSI+ Pipe+Thickness

The first link leads to

http://www.bakersfieldpipe.com/pipechart.html

2) Similarly the welding positions can be checked by google AWS+Weld+Position

http://www.sperkoengineering.com/html/Position.ppt

and

http://www.gowelding.com/wp/asme4.htm

http://www.gowelding.com/wp/asmepos.htm

describes in detail the positions.

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03/09/2009 11:09 PM

3) Your question is kind of ambiguous. Are you asking a square butt weld, or a U-groove? Either way:

You could get away with welding 10 mm with a square butt using submerged arc, however, you would be very hard pressed (read impossible/not recommended) to weld it using stick (or MIG/TIG for that matter) - an upper limit on square butt welds is 1/4" (6 mm).

A U-groove is not required as it is more difficult to prep and is only used on very thick material to minimize the opening distance and amount of weld material required.

Therefore a V-groove on 10 mm is appropriate.

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03/11/2009 12:20 AM

DEAR SB,

THANK YOU , YOU HAVE GOVEN VERY USEFUL AND INFORMATIVE SITES.

V.D.DEODHAR.

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03/11/2009 9:27 AM

Thanks for posting these sites.

I have captured all three in bookmarks.

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03/11/2009 9:34 AM

This was directed as "sb"-

Another site that is useful is the Taylor Forge site which contains an extensive list of fittings and corresponding wall gauge.

Try <www.tfes.com>

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Re: Pipe Wall Thickness and Welding Process

03/11/2009 7:42 AM

The schedule thicknesses will very with each pipe size.

Just google pipe reference pipe schedules and go from there or just call up a pipe supplier in your area and obtain a chart.

Bevels or edge prep is in accordance to what your designed to do. Most fab shops test their welders to 4G and 6G test.

Horizonal and vertical for plate. 3G is pipe

Your QA (Quality Assurance) people can help on any other questions you may have.

Gary

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Re: Pipe Wall Thickness and Welding Process

03/11/2009 9:54 AM

Hello you use a Vee groove because a welder cannot get to the bottom of Vee to weld the root pass very well if the side bevels are to straight. Also straight bevel walls make it hard to tie into the straight side walls during first couple of filler passes. The 37.5 angle used on each bevel has proven to be enough to do the manual welding successful and also not to make the included bevel angle so great as to cause excessive filler metal to be used (a welder can weld it best and fastest with this angle) On very thick manual welds it is best to use a J-bevel or modified Vee groove that incorporates the vee at the bottom so that the welder can get the first few passes in without problem and after enough filler is deposited the bevel wall design becomes straight in order to keep the welding deposit narrower thus speeding up the welding time and reducing the HAZ width. U bott joints are better used for automatic welding IMO

1G=flat welding position for plate and flat for rolled pipe welding tests

2G= horizontal welding position for plate and pipe welding tests

3G=vertical welding position for plate

4G=overhead position for plate welding tests

5G= vertical welding position for pipe welding tests

6G=45 degree incline of the pipe axis welding test.

Most companies use the 6G position to test pipe welders because if a welder qualifies on it the they are qualified on all the other mentioned positions and all fillet welds as well. Also most companies that only weld plate they will usually test on vertical and overhead positions and the this will cover the welders on all other positions.

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