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Aluminum Tube Failure

04/17/2009 1:32 PM

Can anyone one help me here?

I have a aluminmum tube that is 1.25 inch OD with a wall thickness of 0.058 inch.

Say a solid rod of material, (Type not critical) fits in a telsecoping manner into the tube, this would have an OD of say 1.125" a nice fit. it is inserted say 12 inches,

And this rod is rigidly mounted.

Now say the original tube is 4 feet long,,

How many pounds can be applied to the far end, (the end oppisite the solid rod inserted end) How many pounds can be applied until the tube kinks, I know it can bend some, but at what point does it either bend a LOT and or finally fail?

anyone dare to give this a calculation?


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04/17/2009 2:47 PM

Is this what you mean?:

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04/17/2009 4:01 PM

If that is the case, and barring any codes that need to be followed:

From Roark's Formulas for Stress and Strain:

The critical buckling moment for this is given by:

M' = K·E·r·t2/(1-μ2)

Where

K = factor - theoretical value 0.99

E = modulus of elasticity (depends on exact alloy, but here I used 10,500,000 psi)

r = radius of tube = 0.596"

t = thickness of tube = 0.058"

μ = poison's ratio (depends on exact alloy, but I used typical 0.33)

This calculated out gives M' ≈ 23,400 in·lbs.

Which equals ≈ 650 lbs (STATIC) at the free end.

A bending stress should also be confirmed, but due to my being at work on a Friday afternoon - I shouldn't waste more time calculating that out - but this tube will most likely buckle before overstressing.

NOTE: You should add a safety factor to this due to

  • the tolerances in tubing manufacturing of wall thickness/concentricity
  • the value of K, which has differed experimentally from 0.72 - 1.14
  • andy dynamic loading
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04/17/2009 4:01 PM

Exactly!

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04/17/2009 4:09 PM

Exactly the picture, or exactly the force determined by experiment?

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04/17/2009 4:13 PM

I meant the Picture,
And Thanks for the mathwork, sounds good t me.

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04/17/2009 4:32 PM

WOOOOOHH!!!!!

I did a quick check on the bending stress and it appears that this will fail in bending before buckling.

It is getting closer to home time here so I will have to confirm, but can you give the exact grade and heat treatment of the aluminum you have?

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04/17/2009 5:04 PM

Pretty brittle stuff,

one of two alloys either 6061-T6 or 6063-T832


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04/17/2009 8:18 PM

Alright, using a yield strength of 39,000 psi (6063-T832); [6061-T6 has a typical yield of 40,000 psi].

You will see yielding at 67 lbs with a deflection at the free end of just under 1".

(a far cry from buckling failure of 650 lbs)

This also takes into account the usual disclaimer (codes, dynamics, safety factors ........)

May I ask what this is for?

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04/17/2009 10:13 PM

Yielding will just be starting at 67 lbs but that will not be failure.

S = π(d4 - di4)/32d = 0.06186 in3

Z = (d3 - di 3)/6 = 0.082475 in3

Assuming Fy = 39000 psi,

First yielding at M = S*Fy = 2412"#, so P = M/36 = 67#

Fully plastic at M = Z*Fy = 3216"#, so P = M/36 = 89#

Of course, this assumes that the smaller HSS with the fixed end is capable of taking a moment of 1.333*3216 = 4290"#.

Perhaps it would be wiser to make the fixed end tube larger and thicker than the other one. That way you would get a little more 'meat' where you need it most.

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04/17/2009 10:55 PM

I read the OP again. The fixed end piece is a solid rod, not a tube, so it will be adequate.

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04/17/2009 8:41 PM

I'm not mechanical, but this is kind of interesting.

To what extent is the failure dependent upon the fit being "near perfect" (stress probably distributed AROUND PIPE DIAMETER better) vs. "sloppy fit" (stress probably concentrated on knife edge contact at end of one or both tubes)?

Would cutting the end of the tube at an acute angle (tops in) distribute stress better than a 90 degree end cut? I'm out of my area here, but it seems like the buckle would start on one side of the tube and migrate around the diameter of the tube. Distributing the force around the tube with a slanted cut seems like it would require a larger portion of the tube to fail before the fatal buckle.

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