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Bending Strength - Stacked Beams

05/01/2009 2:18 AM

Is there a difference between the strength/deflection of stacked beams versus one solid/homogenous beam?

for example: two 2x4's stacked on top of each other compared with a solid 4x4 wood beam (same material, lenght, etc...)

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Re: Bending Strength - Stacked Beams

05/01/2009 2:45 AM

and please neglect details regarding actual trim of a 2x4 (1.75x3.75 - I think)

Assume the exact same overall dimensions as a 4x4.

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Re: Bending Strength - Stacked Beams

05/01/2009 6:45 AM

The bending stress (maximal) is = Bending moment/ W.

W1= b*h^2/6

For 2 beams section bx(h/2) the W2= 2*[b*(h/2)^2/6]=

= 2* [b*h^2/4/6] = 2/4*[b*h^2/6]= W1/2

If you have "n" beams thick h/n the result is W(n)=W1/n

This means that the beam made from "n" beams thick h/n has a resistance 1/n with respect to the beam thick h.

This is valid provided that the thinner beams can slide with respect to each other. If you do not allow it the resistance will depend on the bond elasticity.

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05/01/2009 10:36 AM

So then the actual strength of a glue-lam depends on the glue?

And in an uncontrolled manufacturing process (my barn) I would be better off constructing a laminated loadbearing beam with bolts?

Or am I carrying this too far?

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05/01/2009 2:13 PM

It takes a lot of bolts to approximate good glue (pressure + heat). There are a lot of custom shops around now that will make up good glued beams for you.

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05/01/2009 5:56 PM

The way you choose the bolts and the distance between is also a determinant factor for the composed beam.

If you look at old houses you may see between 2 beams transverse pices of wood which have as goal to fight the sliding.

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Re: Bending Strength - Stacked Beams

05/01/2009 8:54 PM

Thank-you for your answer,

How about if the 2x4's were placed on edge so that the "seam" is vertical - would they have the same strength as a 4x4?

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05/01/2009 10:44 PM

Yes! They would in flexure under gravity load, but not in torsion or horizontal load.

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05/02/2009 7:28 AM

Yes, since considered this position relative to load the W= (b/2)*h^2/6 for each one. Multiplied by 2 it is equal to the W of full section.

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05/04/2009 2:56 PM

I used to work in a wood shop where we frequently glued up custom shaped glue-lams (arches and such).

The technique we used was to make a form on the work table then glue (rolling glue on both surfaces with a paint roller) bend the laminations, and clamp them in place with hand screws. Somtimes we would screw each limination starting at one end and working the way down to prevent any bubbles in the middle.

We made the beams according to the engineers specs and never had any failures. Some of these were very beautiful, made from mahogany, oak, walnut, etc...

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Re: Bending Strength - Stacked Beams

05/02/2009 9:47 AM

no. But the two members must be fastened together, and it does give you the opportunity to greatly increase the stiffness by adding a sheet of plywood in the joint to reduce deflection. 1/2" thick OSB will greatly enhance the bending and buckling resistance (assuming the OSB sheet is normal to the bending load.--i.e. floor joist joint is vertical.) American Plywood Association provides guidelines for calculating loads,etc.

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