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Storage Guidelines for Liquid Nitrogen Tanks

05/03/2009 7:11 PM

Dear all,

Normally, Liquid nitrogen tank storage area is covered with fence where entry provision is from single side only. I was interested in knowing that wheather this is as per any general guideline i.e. can there be two side entry for Liquid nitrogen storage tank area fence.

Is there in any particular reason for not having two or more gates at Liquid nitrogen tank storage area fence.

If this is as per some design standards then please quote that also.

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Re: Storage Guidelines for Liquid Nitrogen Tanks

05/04/2009 11:19 PM

The only reason for not having more than one access to the outdoor fenced storage area is ability to maintain safety and effective security.

Why else would you need a fenced area for Liquid nitrogen storage.

For small volume Dewar distribution points in a building an enclosed area only needs an open door for dissipation in case of uncontrolled venting or a spill.

Alarms are applied for large volume enclosed storage areas.

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Re: Storage Guidelines for Liquid Nitrogen Tanks

05/05/2009 2:29 AM

Thanks for your inputs.

As such i also understand logically that why there should be 2 access to Nitrogen storage fence but we had a suggestion from company employee whose view was that in case of emergency (i.e. heavy Nitrogen release at available gate) there is no other access availble. To answer his query, i was looking for some standard lay out guideline but i couldn't get it from internet or any other source.

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Re: Storage Guidelines for Liquid Nitrogen Tanks

05/07/2009 2:09 PM

You may refer SMPV rules and CCOE Nagpur guidelines for layout . The Nitrgen storage need to be defined as

- In house consumption

- Sale out side company premises

Hence the layout needs to be designed accordingly to suit requirements of refilling and transport . The double walled tanks with vacuum perlite insulation are provided with adequate safety so that heavy Nirgen release ( by pressure relief valve ?) is in air with little effect on ground level concentration .

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Re: Storage Guidelines for Liquid Nitrogen Tanks

05/05/2009 10:16 AM

himanshu,

Once again I say, follow the safety standards for your local area. Every place has different rules and regulations. Regardless of anyone's unauthorized opinion, follow your local standards. If we knew where these facilities or what nationality you were posting from, we might be able to direct you to pertinent people.

Having said that, I suspect your fencing is primarily there to prevent theft, not a safety standard. Providing more than one exit path sounds like a good idea.

The fixed liquid nitrogen storage tanks here at work do not have any fencing around them. The one I use most often is connected to a filling station inside a building. ODH sensors exist in this room in case the nitrogen boil off displaces all of the oxygen in this room. When the ODH sensor trips, a large bay door opens to both release the nitrogen gas and return air to the room. Officially this safety system exists in case a mechanical failure happens with the valves and pipes in the room, but this never happens. What typically happens is a scientist feels that waiting near the controls of his filling Dewar is wasting their precious time. Instead of stopping the fill anytime they choose to leave this room, they'll just come back in five or ten minutes when the Dewar is properly filled and stop the fill. Besides, they think, the safety rules about Dewar filling procedures are just written by overly cautious bureaucrats. The Dewar overfills, the ODH sensor trips, the bay door opens, the alarm lights turn on, the camera computers move the last half hour of images for this room to an archive, and the scientist must repeat all safety training. One fool even did this three times in a month. He's been banned from DOE sites.

Follow your local safety codes!

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Re: Storage Guidelines for Liquid Nitrogen Tanks

05/07/2009 2:14 AM

The area where our liquid nitrogen is manufactured in our captive oxygen plant (through liquified air) has n number of gates, being a factory area. And of course the resultant Nitrogen is stored in open.

The basic is safety

a) Evacuability of persons in case of emergency

b) Safety in pilferage, sabotage and accidents (due to pilfering).

Since we do not have these problems we are able to keep in open, in case you have the pilferage problem, you have to restrict the movement and may be that's why you have a single gate. major accidents may take place if somebody not knowledgeable trying to pilfer opens the drain plug etc.

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