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1990 Chevy C1500 - Front Brake Problems

05/26/2009 11:41 AM

I have a 1990 Chevy C-1500 with a front brake problem and cant find the cause. The right front brake will not release. I have replace the front pads, a new rotor, a new caliper, and a new master cylinder. I have bled the all of the brakes several times. Its isnt leaking anywhere and The pedal goes almost to the floor. The brake will release after I travel for awhile. Any Ideals on what I can try next?

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05/26/2009 1:23 PM

Think we ran into something similar in which the aged hoses were the problem. Apparently strange behavior results when the flexible hose interior separates from the exterior leading to brake drag and a host of other problems.

Especially given that it is a 1990 - check the rubber hoses from the axle to the caliper.

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05/26/2009 3:14 PM

What would I be checking for?

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Re: 1990 Chevy C1500 - Front Brake Problems

05/26/2009 3:23 PM

Anything like limp, Hah, or being rubber - overly stiff

Pretty hard to check actually.

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05/26/2009 6:17 PM

Typically, blockage of the flexibles and tubing that is preventing the fluid from returning from the caliper. It is not hard to occur. The blockage may be occuring in both directions, but is not sensed due to the hogher pressure when you step on. (I had a problem like this once, but I found out that the master cylinder had an internal leakage instead...)

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Re: 1990 Chevy C1500 - Front Brake Problems

05/26/2009 1:58 PM

Does this truck have the anti-lock braking system GM tried on trucks with rear drum brakes?

If so, disconnect it! I had an '88 C3500 with it. I called it always-lock....

I'm not sure when GM discontinued this style of anti-lock I just hope you don't have it.

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05/26/2009 3:16 PM

Not that I know of it does not have it

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05/26/2009 4:57 PM

i think you have already changed all components for front braking system while your problem still not solved . it means the main reason for that problem is still exist.

it mostly as mentioned by other member , you have partial blocking in brake fluid pipes or rubber hoses for right hand brake wheel. it's prevent brake fluid to return back soon to master cylinder , but it return back slowly and brake released after you travel for awhile .

my suggestion is to dismantle all main front brake fluid pipe starting from main master cylinder , distributor connection ( tee connection distributes for right and left side wheels) , brake pipe from distributor to rubber hose and rubber hose for right hand wheel . clean all carefully (each part separate )using compressed air in normal flow direction and after reverse air flow in opposite direction, you can also insert electric wire in pipe from one to other end.

after you finish clean with brake fluid , assemble all parts again ,refill from master cylinder and bleed

i hope it may solve your problem

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Re: 1990 Chevy C1500 - Front Brake Problems

05/26/2009 5:31 PM

May have two troubles.

What were reasons you replaced the brakes?

Low pedal is an indication of a bad brake booster unit.

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Re: 1990 Chevy C1500 - Front Brake Problems

05/26/2009 7:22 PM

You should take it to a shop, SOON! TODAY. "The pedal goes almost to the floor", sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen. Nothing on the vehicle is more critical than brakes.

Flex hoses are cheap and EASY to install. That should be step 1.

Unless you know what you are doing, bleeding the brakes can be problematic.

When you bled them, did you bleed the longest line first, and so on to the shortest?

Did you bench bleed the master cylinder before installation?

Is your insurance paid up?

Good luck.

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Re: 1990 Chevy C1500 - Front Brake Problems

05/26/2009 11:46 PM

Based on the limited amount of information I suspect the caliper was not properly rebuilt and/or has worn or bent parts that are sticking or are not properly lubricated. The proper lubricant is a silicone grease. Remove the right caliper and confirm that the piston can be fully retracted into the caliper by using a "C" clamp and the shaft on which the caliper moves is lubricated and free of burrs and grit. The fact the pad releases after driving for a while suggests that heat from the dragging pad changes the caliper geometry so the pad can retract enough to clear the rotor.

When you apply pressurized brake fluid to the caliper the rubber sealing ring on the caliper piston is distorted by the brake fluid from a rectangular cross section to a parallelogram. When you release the pressure the ring returns to its normal shape and moves the piston backward only a small distance but enough so the pad is no longer in contact with the rotor.

I am not familiar with the details of the Chevy brake system but if it is a single cylinder design the piston slides in a frame. Make certain it can move easily.

The fact the brake pedal goes almost to the floor suggests there is still air in the brake system or the master cylinder was not properly rebuilt.

I would be helpful to look at the Chevy shop manual which probably has a series of tests you can perform to identify the cause of your brake problems.

In my experience the quality of rebuilt brake components is extremely variable unless they were rebuilt by a well known company e.g. Raybestos, Bendix, etc.

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05/27/2009 5:30 PM

hung caliper was my first thought too. GA

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Re: 1990 Chevy C1500 - Front Brake Problems

05/27/2009 12:47 AM

When the RF rotor locks, and refuses to release, then crack open the bleed screw and see if it releases. If so, caliper is probably good; suspect rubber flex line next. Internal line failures common on older vehicles. Interior of hose disintegrates and acts as a one way valve. If not that, then crack open fittings starting from RF, tracing back to master cylinder.

Bleed brakes RR, LF, RF, LF when you complete the repairs. Also, make sure you bleed the master cylinder before you bleed the system. On the bench is best. When you bleed the system, use the factory method.

Make sure the rear shoes are properly adjusted. Just a slight drag when you spin the drum.

Did you use reputable and known brands of replacement parts? Many of the off-shore parts are garbage. Quality (OEM or aftermarket) are best.

DO NOT disarm the anti-lock brake function. Major liability and legal problems can occur. Lawyers look for this kind of stuff. You can get bankrupted doing that.

If you're not a trained technician, I would consult a good mechanic for assistance. You really need to start over and cover the basics for peace of mind. A pedal dropping to the floor is nothing to mess with. Get the system checked completely before taking to the road again.

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05/28/2009 3:57 PM

Ok This is what I have done. I replace the caplier ( eventho it was new, I exchanged it ) I replaced the pads and the hose from the brake line to the caliper. I bled the brakes starting with the RR, RF, LR AND THE FR. wirhout the engine running the pedal is hard, with the engine running the pedal will go almost to the floor. The right front is releasing now. After calling it alot of ugly words I am leaving it along for awhile.

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Re: 1990 Chevy C1500 - Front Brake Problems

05/27/2009 8:25 AM

The flex hoses are considerably less expensive than the lawsuit you'll see if you hit someone because of faulty brakes.

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Re: 1990 Chevy C1500 - Front Brake Problems

05/27/2009 10:57 AM

Old brake hoses have micropores that allow air in, but leak no brake fluid.

This gives you a "spongy" pedal and delayed release. You should also replace the "distributor valve" it is located on front compartement near the floor wells, and it is not one of those "T" distributors for L and R wheels, (which wouldn't hurt to replace also). The distrubutor valve takes the master cylinder pressure, delivers an even flow and pressure to all wheels and returns fluid back to the reservoir.

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Re: 1990 Chevy C1500 - Front Brake Problems

05/27/2009 5:33 PM

google "TSB" for your make and model particular to brakes; checks for recalls or problems.

* TSB - technical service bulletin

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05/28/2009 8:24 AM

wow guys....alot of sugestions for a simple common problem to diagnosis this problem corectley all you must do is remove the caliper in question and try and compress it with the bleeder valve open if the caliper compresses the hose is bad if the caliper dosent compress the caliper is bad and that is all there is to it

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05/28/2009 10:55 AM

What if I put a BB in the brake hose connection?

You are right that is a simple way to diagnose his problem.

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Re: 1990 Chevy C1500 - Front Brake Problems

05/28/2009 2:24 PM

First--19 year old flexible brake lines are way past their service life and are 99% certain to have swollen internally to the point of seriously restricting flow. Change them ALL immediately.

90% probability swollen brake hose is causing the very slow release/no release.)

Low pedal--hard or spongy? Spongy means air in the system yet. Probably trapped in master cylinder. That's why they always should be filled and 'primed' before installation on the vehicle. A spongy pedal can also be caused by brake pads that are not yet bedded in to a worn / grooved rotor.

A low, but hard pedal (can be pumped once and pedal rises to normal and is solid) means either rear drum brakes are mis-adjusted (too loose) or : a) a front disk is warped and causing pads to retract too much; or b)new caliper seals too soft and stretching on piston rather than sliding and retracting pads too much when pressure is released.

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05/28/2009 3:53 PM

Ok This is what I have done. I replace the caplier ( eventho it was new, I exchanged it ) I replaced the pads and the hose from the brake line to the caliper. I bled the brakes starting with the RR, RF, LR AND THE FR. wirhout the engine running the pedal is hard, with the engine running the pedal will go almost to the floor. The right front is releasing now. After calling it alot of ugly words I am leaving it along for awhile.

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05/28/2009 3:59 PM

The right front is releasing now. After calling it alot of ugly words

Yes, yes not mentioned yet; proper training is key

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Re: 1990 Chevy C1500 - Front Brake Problems

05/28/2009 5:15 PM

now that you fixed the front check for a leak in the rear...posible wheel cylinder or way out of adjustment...also check the other front caliper for frozen slides that will make the pedal fall also

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Re: 1990 Chevy C1500 - Front Brake Problems

09/02/2010 2:17 PM

Abs hydraulic unit or the rubber hose. yes it does have abs. Your best bet is to try the abs hydraulic unit. Trust me I spent close to $400 trying to find out what was wrong with mine. I have a 1990 chevy c1500 5.7 small block and and a 1990 chevy c1500 7.4 big block. The abs hydraulic unit sends an equal amount of brake fluid to each wheel what yours is doing its not taking the fluid back to the master cylinder that cause's the caliper to stick. I hope I helped you out...

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