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Transformer Connections

07/29/2009 10:28 AM

hey i would like an understandable answer of why in certain installations, 200A maximum socket metering, they use three transformers or sometimes two, does it provides a stronger voltage flow or what?

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Re: Transformer Connections

07/29/2009 12:38 PM

Absolutely no idea except the transformers are under-rated.

In our factory shed for 2MVA (@415V AC) we have a single transformer.

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07/29/2009 1:23 PM

Typically its for a 120/240 three phase delta type connection application. The standard 120/240 center tapped line is the primary power carrying connection and likely has the bigger KVA rated transformer supplying it.

The second transformer is set up as a phantom phase and supply's the three phase power for motors or other devices that need full three phase power to operate. (one leg of a delta configuration is produced by the actual transformer. The other phantom leg is a unique condition where three lines give all three points on the phasing triangle but one leg is not actually present) When only two transformers are used it typically because the actual three phase loads are a small part of the average power draw a facility uses.

When there are three equal sized transformers used it most often because the three phase powered devices are the primary power draw on the system. And the single phase powered devices are either divided up equally between all three phases or simply do not add up to a large enough load to matter in the overall supply system.

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07/30/2009 2:04 AM

did he mean 2 or 3 single phase transformers or two or three 3Φ transformers

If it is single then what you said is OK (open delta connection- two transformers or balanced three phase - 3 transformers)

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Re: Transformer Connections

07/30/2009 12:10 AM

It is pretty obvious that you are using 3-phase power. The "200A maximum socket rating" has no bearing on the number of transformers required.

The short answer is yes - you get more "Flow" out of three transformers than you do two. Here is a brief description of a possible set of configurations. (There are others but these are the most common). Note also that there other voltages produced using these configurations as well. For simplification I will use normall "small commercial" level voltages.

In those instances where there are three transformers, there are several different configurations possible:

The two most likely are

3Ø 4-wire grounded WYE - This would give you voltages like 208 phase to phase or 120V Phase to neutral on all three legs.

The reason for calling this a WYE configuration is that one leg of each transformer is connected to a single point and this point is (usually) grounded. It defines the Neutral of the system. The other side of each transformer becomes one of the the three phase legs. If you were to draw this you would make a "Y" shape, ergo a "WYE" configuration. Each unconnected end of the WYE would define a phase leg with 208V between each and 120V across each transformer to neutral.

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3Ø 4-wire center tapped DELTA - This would give you voltages like 240V phase to phase or 120V Phase to Neutral on Two of the three legs to Neutral. (Both 120V legs and the neutral are all located on only one of the transformers).

The three transformers are connected end to end, so that if you drew them they would form a triangle or, as from calculus forming (after a fashion) the DELTA symbol, ergo the name. Each point of the triangle would define a phase leg with 240V across each transformer.

Now if you recall, the WYE configuration has its leg to leg "phase" voltage taken between two transformers but the DELTA has its leg to leg "phase" voltage taken across each transformer.

The two transformer configuration is called an "OPEN DELTA" and the two transformers are tied together at one end only. The other two ends are left unconnected. If you take that DELTA triangle from before and removed one side leaving the other two in the same place (like a V on its side) you would have drawn an "OPEN DELTA". Each "point" still defines a phase leg and the voltage is the same as a regular DELTA.

If one of the two transformers is "center tapped" you can even get some 120V power. The connection is similar to the WYE in that you are not "looking" across a transformer but "between" two others for that phase to phase leg.

To address the "Flow " issue

The capacity of each of these transformer banks is equal to the sum of their individual ratings.

If you were to use identical transformers for the 3 and 2 unit configurations, the 2 unit setup ( OPEN DELTA) would have 2/3 the capacity in available power.

Also, if the load on an OPEN DELTA is not pretty well balanced you can get some pretty wierd voltages on the different legs. The standard application was for three phase motor loads or induction heaters with realtively small 120 or 24 single phase connections. Mostly used in industrial facilities.

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07/30/2009 10:07 AM

For higher voltages, they use three transformers so (if one fails) they can take that one out and keep working with the other two.

It has nothing to do with power, it is a maintenance issue.

The only times I have seen two transformers used is when the company needs to transform from 3-phase to 1-phase or viceversa. They add the line voltages of two phases of the primary and create 1 phase in the secondary.

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07/31/2009 3:40 AM

gussosa,

It's actually a money issue.

If the load can run with only two transformers, the cost of the third transformer is saved and the power needs are met. This becomes important when providing the equipment for many customers, such as the power authority or utility does, since the savings are multiplied many thousands of times potentially.

I agree that for the maintenance of a critical service circuit, 3 transformers would be the choice. CJM

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