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Ford Anti-Lock Brake Design Flaw?

08/18/2009 11:31 AM

I have a 2001 Ford Escape that tried to catch fire in my driveway the other night...thank goodness it was not in the garage! It had been parked with the ignition off for 5 hours. I was inside the house and heard the alarm sounding...thank goodness that worked! Thick, black/grey smoke was pouring out from under the hood. When I opened the hood and saw the ABS module glowing red-hot and sizzling, I grabbed pliers and disconnected the battery and quenched the fire with a hose.

Here's my question...Is there any good reason why the ABS module needs power with the ignition turned off? Assuming that there might be a reason, is there any good reason for not putting a fuse in that power supply?

By the way, a mechanic had previously disconnected the ABS motor because it was running with the ignition off and draining the battery. Thus, when the ABS module caught fire, it was getting power through its separate wiring harness, while the motor was disconnected.

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08/18/2009 12:20 PM

Well known problem. Ford has had a recall on many of the vehicles from the early 90's and up with the ABS system you have just for that reason.

Apparently the bean counters felt the the factory spending another $10 on putting a relay in line with that part of the ABS control circuit was to much. And the safety Nazis backed it up by saying the relay could fail and cause the ABS to malfunction and bring about lawsuits.

I have a friend and a family member that work at the local Ford dealer ship. This was their under the table explanation of the problem a few years ago when I got a recall notices on my vehicles. The recall notices I got have a more friendlier and smoothed over explanation though.

The real bad part is since the recalls were put into effect some years ago most insurance companies wont pay up on a claim because of it. They will use the you were notified or should have already known about the recall excuse to not pay. Both my friend and family member told me that as well. It seems several people had their vehicles burn up and they all got stiffed by their insurance company under that reasoning. Apparently some full coverage insurance companies have fine print saying your not covered in situations that were avoidable by following factory recall notices.

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08/18/2009 1:06 PM

Luckily, I took it to a Ford dealer in June for the recall. The recall, however, is carefully worded to limit the admission of a problem to the ABS connector. Apparently, Ford admitted that the connector (or a seal on the connector) could be installed incorrectly. I couldn't tell from the paperwork that the dealership replaced anything. They merely gave the truck back to me with a receipt that said problem with the ABS and they left the motor, but not the ABS module, unplugged.

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08/18/2009 1:15 PM

I'd ask Ford's safety Nazi's to justify erring on the side of the ABS being unavailable--in the unlikley event a driver turns the key off while driving--vs. the vehicle spontaneously combusting while being driven...or, while parked and unattended in a residential garage, a public parking garage, etc. One the one hand, you've got a moving vehicle with regular brakes. On the other hand, you've got potential house fires, parking garage/hi-rise evacuations, flaming vehicles on the public roads, etc.

If it's possible to turn the key off while the vehicle is moving, that could be prevented with a better design. If it happens, the driver is without power assisted brakes, anyway, and would have to press the pedal HARD to get the brakes to lock up, anyway. I'm not seeing the good reason here.

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08/18/2009 5:38 PM

Because it saved $10 while building your $30K vehicle! Thats why.

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08/18/2009 7:23 PM

Is this different from the cruise control switch on the front of the brake master cylinder?

I got a notice from Ford and took it in and they did nothing, but check the, "fixed" box on the report. That was not ABS, which I have, too. Does it self ignite, too?

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08/18/2009 7:30 PM

it is different, but I understand the effect is similar...it makes Ford roducts unusually handy to have around when camping...or, when a lady needs her cigarette lit and you don't have matches...

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08/18/2009 7:32 PM

Yes, there are plenty of places under the hood to get power, even if the key is off.

Like the battery!

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08/18/2009 8:08 PM

I've started camp fires just by taking a dry stick smashing the end and wedging it into the gap between the engine and the exhaust manifold. A minute or so at a high idle and the stick will start to smoke and smolder. A few careful breaths later, Fire!

My city dweller camping associates are amazed by it every time!

And it usually wins me a few free beers on a bet too!

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08/19/2009 7:28 AM

lynlynch - get that cruise control relay replaced, if you haven't already - those things can short & catch fire in a heartbeat - they don't need time to
pre-heat" like the ABS modules...

The Dealer should have the relay in a retro-fit kit - you can even do it yourself....but please have this replaced if you got the recall notice

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08/18/2009 11:50 PM

Although I do not agree with the fact the ABS receives power with the ignition off. But similar to the engine, body, and airbag systems, the ABS system has a computer that receives power at all times. Computers should have a constant power source for KAM (keep alive memory). The information stored in the KAM is valuable for internal and external diagnostics and I am sure more.

At one point in time we have all been victim of poor engineering. I have bought a few pieces a crap (cars and more) in my lifetime. I am sorry that your vehicle caught on fire, but it could have been much worse due to lack of engineering forethought. For example, you could have been victim to one of the Explorer Wilderness tire blowouts at an unfortunate time.

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08/19/2009 12:44 AM

I have worked on Ford products for many years, as an independent shop owner. I have also spent many years in the troubleshooting business and at times I do forensic investigation on problems like yours. There are a few reasons why Ford has the ABS controller powered all of the time. In fact, if you spend some time studying ABS wiring diagrams on most any car line, they are all powered all of the time. Those reasons are for passenger safety. In the last 17 years, I have never seen one of these ABS controllers have a problem like you have described. I have seen many electrical problems like this on everything from Mack trucks to Peugeot vehicles. You are working with an electrical component, and there are times when all of the excellent engineering and all of the expensive R&D was not enough to find out all of the bugs and things that could happen to electrical components. I have seen way more vehicle fires caused by shorted diodes in alternators than I have in any other electrical component. In this case, I would wonder why the guy that found the ABS pump running just unplugged the motor and did not look deeper into the system and find out what was the cause of the motor running. If you pursue this direction, I would think that this person is responsible for your fire. Why was the ABS problem not taken care of at the time it was found? This is a safety issue and should not be taken lightly.

Count yourself fortunate that you found the problem when you did.

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