Previous in Forum: Pressure Relief Valves   Next in Forum: V Charpy impact test for ASTM A 672
Close
Close
Close
11 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Active Contributor

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Bangalore, Karnataka, India
Posts: 24

EMI and EMC Testing of LED Drivers

08/20/2009 12:40 AM

We are planning to go for EMI EMC test of our LED Driver. Please suggest the common drawbacks for failure of these tests.

__________________
In this world there are two kinds of people, one who does the work the other who takes credit for the work. Be in first group, as there is little competition.
Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member United Kingdom - Member - New Member

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Harlow England
Posts: 16512
Good Answers: 670
#1

Re: What are all the precautionary measures to be taken for EMI / EMC test?

08/20/2009 2:48 AM

Anything that is switched fast or oscillates rapidly, lengths of circuitboard track which act as aerials at frequencies contained in the switching or oscillating.

Without some idea of your circuitry it is hard to be more specific.

There are plenty of good books and articles on this stuff.

Good luck
Del

__________________
health warning: These posts may contain traces of nut.
Register to Reply
Commentator

Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Denver CO
Posts: 94
Good Answers: 6
#6
In reply to #1

Re: What are all the precautionary measures to be taken for EMI / EMC test?

08/21/2009 11:57 AM

Speaking of switching quickly or oscillating be sure to look for ringing. Ringing can cause radiation at unexpected frequencies. Even if there is no ringing remember also that a square wave is composed of an infinite number of odd harmonics which can interact with board run lengths and other components to cause radiated signals at frequencies you also might not expect. These are all problems that can be dealt with once identified. You may want to do a pretest yourself with a spectrum analyzer or an o-scope and some tuned circuits.

Register to Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Anonymous Poster
#7
In reply to #1

Re: What are all the precautionary measures to be taken for EMI / EMC test?

08/24/2009 7:27 PM

Thanks Del,

Great to have as resource. Thanks again

Register to Reply
Active Contributor

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Bangalore, Karnataka, India
Posts: 24
#9
In reply to #1

Re: What are all the precautionary measures to be taken for EMI / EMC test?

09/14/2009 3:30 AM

Thanks, would be grateful if you can help with the book details.

Regards,

Raju

__________________
In this world there are two kinds of people, one who does the work the other who takes credit for the work. Be in first group, as there is little competition.
Register to Reply
Power-User
United Kingdom - Member - Hobbies - HAM Radio - G7TSP Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering -

Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: South Coast United Kingdom
Posts: 124
Good Answers: 1
#2

Re: EMI and EMC Testing of LED Drivers

08/21/2009 4:02 AM

Good Multilayer PCB design, contain power on internal planes, for a 6 layer PCB these should be layers 2 and 5, any "hot" tracks (fast switching) and I/O traces should be embedded on the internal layers 3 and 4. Outside layers 1 and 6 for connection of SMT components and innocuous traces, a copper fill connected to ground wouldn't be detrimental here either. Enclose the PCB in a screened metal casing if possible any ventilation should be a series of small round holes away from components likely to radiate, any power leads or input/output leads should have good common mode filtering as close as possible to the point of entry to the casing, inside or out. These cables could also be screened if appropriate for the design.

Hope this is of help...

:)

Register to Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member United Kingdom - Member - New Member

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Harlow England
Posts: 16512
Good Answers: 670
#3
In reply to #2

Re: EMI and EMC Testing of LED Drivers

08/21/2009 8:10 AM

Multi layer board ...for a LED driver?
Hardly economic I'd have thought, I'm assuming this is a very cost sensitive lighting appliction. (But I reserve the right to be entirely wrong)
Del

__________________
health warning: These posts may contain traces of nut.
Register to Reply
Power-User
United Kingdom - Member - Hobbies - HAM Radio - G7TSP Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering -

Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: South Coast United Kingdom
Posts: 124
Good Answers: 1
#4
In reply to #3

Re: EMI and EMC Testing of LED Drivers

08/21/2009 8:23 AM

Good point well made! But how many LED's?

As you quoted, "Without some idea of your circuitry it is hard to be more specific." I thought I'd get more specific without any idea :P

Lemmy

Register to Reply
Active Contributor

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Bangalore, Karnataka, India
Posts: 24
#11
In reply to #4

Re: EMI and EMC Testing of LED Drivers

09/14/2009 6:28 AM

We have range of LED drivers for EMI / EMC test basic model is for 8 LED in terms of wattage it would be 8 watts to 100 watts driver

__________________
In this world there are two kinds of people, one who does the work the other who takes credit for the work. Be in first group, as there is little competition.
Register to Reply
Active Contributor

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Bangalore, Karnataka, India
Posts: 24
#10
In reply to #3

Re: EMI and EMC Testing of LED Drivers

09/14/2009 3:32 AM

Yest this is a verhy cost sensitive lighting

__________________
In this world there are two kinds of people, one who does the work the other who takes credit for the work. Be in first group, as there is little competition.
Register to Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - Been there, done that. Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Long Island NY
Posts: 15600
Good Answers: 981
#5

Re: EMI and EMC Testing of LED Drivers

08/21/2009 10:24 AM

The most common drawback of having outside performance testing done on your circuit for any criteria is you not understanding the cause or meaning of a failure report. I understand that this is precisely why you've asked us to interpret something that has yet to happen. Also my initial reply proves that I can be a pain in the a$$ about semantics, but that's enough self deprecation.

As others here have posted, since we do not know your circuit approach or design, comments cannot be anything but wild guesses. I do understand though that you wish to keep some proprietary rights in order to stay employed. So getting down to the basics, there are two methods of coupling from free space to a circuit trace and vice versa. These methods are electrostatic and electromagnetic coupling. Electrostatic field propagation is generated by the varying voltages present and can be easily shielded by the use of some form of a Faraday shield. Electromagnetic field propagation is generated by the varying current produce. To shield this requires enveloping the entire current loop in a box with a higher magnetic permeability, thus providing an easier path for magnetic fields to close their loops than going through your circuit loop. Often a steel box is not practical, but by minimizing the cross sectional area of the current loop path, a less efficient loop antenna to transmit the field into free space will be constructed. These basics can now also be applied to the sensitivity of your circuitry. Keep in mind if your input circuitry is voltage sensitive (MOSFET) or current sensitive (TTL) and you can then decide if shielding or impedance changes will be useful to improve your performance.

__________________
"Don't disturb my circles." translation of Archimedes last words
Register to Reply
Anonymous Poster
#8
In reply to #5

Re: EMI and EMC Testing of LED Drivers

08/28/2009 7:56 AM

Thanks the guesses are true. Still I could get lot of points. Keep sending info.

Thanks again.

Register to Reply
Register to Reply 11 comments

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Anonymous Poster (2); Jim_Wright (1); Lemmy70 (2); Raju naidu (3); redfred (1); user-deleted-1105 (2)

Previous in Forum: Pressure Relief Valves   Next in Forum: V Charpy impact test for ASTM A 672

Advertisement