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Impact Test

08/24/2009 6:30 AM

Can somebody tell me the relationship between minimum design metal temperature(MDMT) and impact testing?

We order for pressure vessel plate of SA 516-70, 57.2mm thick; impact test was ommitted in the technical delivery condition note, But AI insisted that we carry out the impact test on the material. From mechanical data sheet, MDMT=41 Deg.F, My question is how can i specify the test temperature range values in my work order.

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08/25/2009 12:15 AM

you can refer UCS65 and UCS66 of asme sec VIII div1.

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08/25/2009 2:52 AM

MDMT is the Minimum Design Metal Temperature which represents the lowest temperature for a system may be operated. It will be calculated and compared with the min. design temp. of the system.

We used to specify the impact test for all materials working at lower temp. If the used material work at low temp., the MDMT (as determined from ASME code, Section VIII, Division 1, Para. UCS-66) depends on type of material and its thickness, and that MDMT shall be lower than or at least equal to the specified min. design temp. of the system. Otherwise, you have to proceed an impact test for that material at the specified min. design temp. or lower.

And in this case, the material requisition must include a condition states that the supplier have to carry out the impact test (at mill or at lap) where the values of impact V-notch must be fulfill the code requirements, to be cleared through a certificates to be submitted to the owner. Also, for that material and if impact test is required for the system, the WPS's & PQR's must include a statement to proceed an impact test (at the specified min. temp.) for the welded samples of test coupon(s) as per code requirements.

Notes.

1. For material ASME SA-517 Grade 70 (not normalized), belong to Curve B where for thickness 57.2 mm, its MDMT is 19 oC (66 oF). This means that if your min. design temp. of the system equal to or higher than 19 oC, no impact test is required, otherwise you have to proceed impact test for both the raw material (plates) and for the welded test samples.

2. For material ASME SA-517 Grade 70 (normalized), belong to Curve D where for thickness 57.2 mm, its MDMT is -18 oC (0 oF). This means that if your min. design temp. of the system equal to or higher than -18 oC , no impact test is required, otherwise you have to proceed impact test for both the raw material (plates) and for the welded test samples.

3. The results obtained at notes 1 & 2 are based on tr = 57.2 mm, if tr is located less than 57.2 mm, you can use the reduction in MDMT without impact test as located in Fig. UCS-66.1 of ASME code, Section VIII-D1.

4. The attached file demonstrates how to calculate the MDMT for a pressure vessel: MDMT_Calculations_for_a_Pressure_Vessel

5. See the following related topics by CR4 Threads : SA 516 Grade 70 Steels & Minimum Design Metal Temperature (MDMT)

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10/22/2012 11:22 AM

Dear,

abdel point no. 4 attached file for MDMT calculations for press. vessel provided link is not supported by 4shared site. will u pplease explain how to calculate MDMT

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08/26/2009 6:24 AM

Dear friend,

Please refer ASME Section VIII Div 1 UCS 66 Materials (a) and figure UCS 66 Impact test exemption curve .If material is not normalised then impact test required otherwise not.

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11/21/2009 4:35 AM

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04/18/2011 4:23 PM

Abdel:

Very helpful. Thanks.

IS there curves only apply for Pressure vessel or also apply for ATM tank?

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04/18/2011 11:31 PM

If you mean with ATM tank as atmospheric tank, it still as pressure vessel, so you have to use the rules of ASME BPVC, Section VIII-1. Otherwise if the job is a storage tank, which is designed and fabricated under the rules of API code, in this case you have to fellow the rules of API 650 or API 620.

The same thing is applied for piping systems, where you can fellow the rules at that subject under the specification of your piping system code like as ASME B31.3, B31.8, ... etc.

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