Chicago Dreis & Krump model 810L

Hi rustydog,

I hope you are well?

I have also sent a letter to Chicago Dreis & Krump and look forward to looking at a reply perhaps next week. (Bearing in mind it is Saturday now).

You asked for a manual and oil types? Does that mean you received the machine 'dry', or that you have stripped the machine down and are looking to rebuild it now? If so, and if you can take a sample of oil or hydraulic fluid to your heavy vehicle hydraulic spares shop, they could maybe tell you the type of fluid you need going on a sample of the oil you may have removed?

I will be posting a copy of the machine details to the open forum as this may be of use to others, OK?

You will see the Mechanical Parameters of your Machine below. This is your machine?

Chicago Press Brake

Stock Number: 6980

Chicago 810L

Serial No. L13545

Specification....................... Description

Tonnage............................. 90

Capacity............................ 10 GA @ 10'

Length of Bed & Ram................. 120"

Distance Between Housings........... 102"

Ram Stroke.......................... 3"

Ram Adjustment...................... 4"

Shut Height......................... 12"

Throat.............................. 8"

Strokes Per Minute(Variable)........ 20 - 40

Weight.............................. 13,600 LBS

Equipped With:

18" x 120" T-Slotted 4 Post Die Set

Air Trip Mechanical Clutch

Lite Curtain

Motorizied Ram Adjustment W/Indicators

Dual Palm Controls

One-Shot Lube System

Horsepower: 5

Take care and good luck.

Hello rustydog,

Hope you are fine?

Did you get a reply to your oil ploblem?

I got an email to day about the oil and a Manual. I paste it below:

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Re: Manual and or Oil Reservoir oil type............ MJ

Monday, 31 August, 2009 1:39 PM
From:
"chicago" <chicago@dreis-krump.com>
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The oil bath gear boxes use 80/90 gear oil.
The manual is available in hard copy form at $100.00 USD.




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Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 03:15:21 +0000 (GMT)

>Dear Sir,[p]
>I am writing to try and help a friend out. He has a "Chicago Dreis & Krump model 810 L" Brake Press.
>He needs to know what oils to use in the reservoirs. And or can you supply him with a Web down-load of the Manual for this machine please?
>Now, I and he are asking this question from an Engineering Site called www.cr4.com, so any help from you and your name and help given will be posted to this dedicated Engineering Site, and consequently be read by thousands of other Engineers World wide! I am not saying you need it but it could bring possible orders for your products?
>Any help you can give will be received extremely gratefully.Looking forward to your kind and helpful reply.


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Dreis & Krump
481 S. Governors Highway
Peotone, Il 60468

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I hope this helps , if you have not already heard from Chicago Dreis & Krump?

Let me know please?

Good luck.

Hello babybear,

Many thanks for you interest and help in my search for info on the Dreis & Krump 810L Press brake. I finally called Dreis & Krump Friday morning since I was not getting any response to my e-mails to them. The tech I talked with said his e-mails to me were coming back as undeliverable. He offered the manual at $100, but I have to go through the purchase request and approval routine before I get the ok to buy it and our budget is tight as I'm sure every business budget is in these times.

In answer to your earlier question, this is not a recent purchase. I came on here recently as the maintenance dept in whole. In reviewing equipment records, I could find nothing on this particular machine, as to the type of oils used. I could see where it was checked off as being serviced, but the areas where we keep a record of what to put in the machine was empty. This was 8 years of records. As I'm sure you know, different machine manufacturers require different fluids, various ISO grades of hydraulics with AW or R&O additives or without, and different weights of gear oils.

I try very hard to research the machine records and manuals to be sure we are using the correct fluids and greases for each machine. As I mentioned before, some of the previous maintenance records were vague about what was being used. And I have found some wrong weight/characteristic fluids being used. These were quickly corrected.

I was pleased at your responses and your efforts to help me. I appreciate that there are still people around to take an interest in someone else's problems and to offer help. I hope I can be helpful to someone as you have helped me.

Many Thanks,

rustydog

Hello rustydog,[p]

I am here personally to help if I can figure out a way to do so!

Was the fluid detail in the email I sent from Chicago dreis & krump any use? And did you need the Manual to find these detail only, or for other things you have not mentioned?

I very much appreciate your kind email and thank, I also know I have been in the same position with no one to help me at the time! Fortunately, my Factory was only 300 miles from the original building where they designed and built my machine, so I took a day off and went there to find out the info I needed.

It can be hard at times? Particularly if someone over the years has guessed what lube etc to use and got it wrong, but it is down on paper as a fact now so when working on it I think I am doing the right thing, when all the oils I was using were too thick?

It is just a thought, but if you want the Manual for other reasons apart from the oil types and stuff, ...................................

In the UK any book of any kind has to have an ISBN #, and at least one copy of the publication is stored at the British Library in London. Do you have the same thing in the US, where a publication is kept at the Library of Congress or something?

You said you spoke to the Dreis & Krump people, did you or can you get what the exact Title of the Manual is? I or you could then search. If found you could download the page detail you need. I was successful with a similar project several months ago, the problem was there was several different publication with the same name, several hundred, so it was hard work finding the correct publication.

I wonder if it may be worth asking them again if the Manual has the US equivalent of a ISBN # ?

Please tell me if you know the exact Tile wording for this Manual OK?

Take care. bb

Hello babybear,

When I talked to the tech at Dreis & Krump, he said if I ordered the manual to just ask for the manual for the model 810L press brake. I got the impression (and this was just my impression) they would prefer to sell the manual than to disclose info from it.

I don't know if here in the USA publications are numbered and kept in the Library of Congress or not, but that would be a very good place to look. I'll see what I can discover there as time permits. Being a one-man maintenance dept in a busy shop doesn't leave a lot of time for searching, but I do try to get all info I can. I much prefer to get things right and then document it to keep records and preventitive maintenance on track. Saves a lot of headaches and downtime.

And yes, I am hoping our budget will allow me to obtain the manual for obvious PM, adjustments, and repair purposes. I can only request the purchase and see what happens. So far no luck. Accounting and maintenance don't always see eye-to-eye.

Once again I thank you for all your help.

rustydog

Hello again rustydog,

Believe me I do understand what you mean when you say Dreis & Krump are looking to sell the Manual more than give info 'from it'! Extremely frustrating from your position but from their it is a way of making money?

Your attitude sounds very much like mine. There are lots of people taking short cuts out there to make a quick buck, but, you, in your mind at least, have things in the correct, right and proper order and the way it should be done!

The name Chicago Dreis & Krump and its nomenclature is very unusual so I would think any Manual available would be pretty easy to find if they did have it in the Library of Congress? A little different if it was Smith, Jones & Brown perhaps?

I have been busy since I last wrote but will try and concentrate on the Library of Congress and, perhaps, The British Library as well.

Of course those Manuals are easily worth, .............. What is it $100.00, (~£70.00). When you think about it this is about half the hourly rate you might pay an 'expert' from Chicago Dreis & Krump to come out and give advice, apart from the cost of actually working on your machine!!!!!!!!!!

Show this to the guys 'upstairs' and also try and do a little bargaining with Chicago Dreis & Krump re: the price. I have several books which cost a whole lot more than the cost of a Manual. They are in such detail you could easily rebuild the machine with a little common sense thrown in, right? They have fold-out plans for wiring and Gearbox etc. However, it is just one out of several machines you have. If we can sort out a Manual from a Library, my thought is we can download a particular page, even if the use for each page is $5.00/$10.00, it will be worth it. It is actually quite a simple machine with various switches and valves to make things work, but basically just a really strong heavy metal construction, which allows good visibility to all parts?

Keep in touch.

Cheers.