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The Great Climate Change Hijack

08/27/2009 5:04 PM

Just half-listened to a programme on Radio 4 - title as of thread.

Only half heard it - cooking and "interacting" with Small - but two points stuck in my memory: air pollution and loss of biodiversity. The gist was that "Climate Change" has been used as a cover-all, and the "lesser" problems brushed under the carpet.

As I write, the proramme's finished, and it's not on iPlayer yet .

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08/28/2009 5:09 AM

I wonder what would happen if Chema saw that show .......

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08/29/2009 10:56 PM

Climate change has always amused me as a concept. Earths climate is a dynamic system regardless of our inputs and thus in a constant state of change.

Climatologists(?) just made a major correction in their models. It seems the accepted effect inputs for water vapor was way off.

It may be a year out or so but now the weather man may be able to predict the weather better than twenty years ago. About time.

All the issues ignored because of the red herring of Global Warming are a concern. Ocean acidification and pollution are out of control in my opinion but are going to take major changes to fix.

Loss of biodiversity is a natural process that we are a part of. What we are doing is burning the genetic books before we get a chance to read them. The loss is incalculable and short sighted.

And our Public Masters (governments) vie for short term gains at the loss of all.

thus such is the status quo

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09/01/2009 2:05 PM

I would agree that the use of the term 'climate change' is rather unfortunate, since it deals only with the meteorological aspects of the larger 'environmental change' issue. But I think for most people this vague term serves as a place-holder for the other issues you mention: acidification of the oceans, pollution and loss of biodiversity, as well as deforestation, over-use of our limited supplies of fresh water, etc. (even global warming). To me it doesn't mean that people are unconcerned with all these issues. It's just an example of our fondness for using linguistically sloppy short hand. I have never met a person who is concerned about the loss of biodiversity who doesn't also worry about pollution.

I do take issue with your characterization of 'our Public Masters (governments)'. 'We the People' have not been good citizens; we have avoided our responsibility to make well informed choices in our elected leaders. We have allowed ourselves to be manipulated by ignorance, narrow self-interest, false patriotism and fear for so long that we have made many, many stupid choices. We now have the government we deserve. We find ourselves at sea without a compass, a sail, or a rudder. We will get a better government, one that is responsive to ordinary voters instead of to the entrenched interests who profit mightily from our current situation, if and only if we become better citizens and refuse to vote for candidates chosen for us by our true 'Public Masters', the folks with the big bank accounts. I'm hopeful, but I'm not holding my breath.

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09/03/2009 3:51 PM

I call them public masters because sloppy citizens can understand it. Couch potato public would never admit to being lazy or taking the easy way out when exchanging rights for privileges. They get a little upset when I explain pick a card, I mean candidate from my loaded deck, I mean our choices.

Damn theres that soap box again.

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12/17/2009 9:03 PM

I've seen reference to "ocean acidification" many times.

I've been taught that the ocean is quite well buffered.

Can anyone tell me what the ocean pH was, say 50 or 100 years ago and what it is now?

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12/18/2009 5:09 AM

Thanks.

According to http://www.co2science.org/articles/V12/N22/EDIT.php there is no actual variation due to atmospheric CO2, but the observed differences are probably due to a natural cycle.

Just taking reconstructed figure from 1750 alongside present (as Wikpedia does) gives a misleading impression.

Must look into it further.

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