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Electrical Manhole Splices

09/28/2009 11:18 AM

A manhole electrical contractor plans on doing electrical manhole splices for 4160 volts.
What are electrical code requirements and things he should comply with?

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09/28/2009 11:34 AM

He should look to the regulations appropriate for his locale.

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09/28/2009 11:41 AM

Consult your local codes. While they all are similar, you must meet the codes for your location. The local inspectors or local licensed electricians will know which codes you should follow. We cannot help you without knowing where the manhole bunkers reside. The electric codes in San Francisco CA, Denver CO, Fairbanks AK, Mumbai India, Sidney Australia and McMurdo Station Antarctica are slightly different for a reason.

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09/28/2009 12:11 PM

I do not have a local code book handy.

I do know they electrical contractor has to submit his pull calculation and certifications. I am looking for what special tools are required, and how splices should be terminated. A picture would be helpful. I know once wire pull is done they have to Hot-Pot test the cables.

Is there anything else I am missing?

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09/28/2009 12:43 PM

I repeat myself when I'm in distress.

I repeat myself when I'm in distress.

I repeat myself when I'm in distress.

We cannot help you without knowing where the manhole bunkers reside.

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09/28/2009 8:08 PM

"I do not have a local code book handy."

"Is there anything else I am missing?"

What is missing is your ethical obligation to be cognizant of the local codes under which you are supposed to perform the job-at-hand.

You might get someone killed by following "on-line" code book interpretation.

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09/29/2009 6:49 AM

See NEC Article 300-5(e) though this povision applies better check with applicable local codes in your area or locality.

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09/29/2009 11:46 AM

The city the manhole resides in is Bakersfield Ca.

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09/29/2009 3:00 PM

I've noticed a couple of things about your replys that lead me to believe that you are being less than honest with us. Based on your answers my guess is that you are either the contractor or the person that is supposed to be the inspector. In either case you don't know what you are doing. If you are the contractor you're going to get someone hurt by trying to BS your way through the job. If you are supposed to be the inspector make sure you get a nice steak and a few drinks from the contractor as he is going to do well on this job.

Your questions, "What are electrical code requirements and things he should comply with?" And your statement, "I do know they electrical contractor has to submit his pull calculation and certifications. I am looking for what special tools are required, and how splices should be terminated. A picture would be helpful. I know once wire pull is done they have to Hot-Pot test the cables. Is there anything else I am missing?" Are all answered nicely by LynLynch, "What is missing is your ethical obligation to be cognizant of the local codes under which you are supposed to perform the job-at-hand."

If you are in Bakersfield and if you are looking in a manhole that is not inside the fence of some sort of private enterprise you are probably looking at the property of Southern California Edison or whomever now owns them. That means two things. One is that they are a regulated utility company and are not governed by the National Electrical Code for residential wiring that everyone on this site is referring to. They, as are all public utilities, governed by an Electrical code that is about 75% thinner than the code book here on my desk. Second - - they have a construction standards book that provides detailed instructions on making 4160 splices. If you are a bonafide contractor, which I seriously doubt based on your statements here, you will have access to that information. If you use some good IBEW journeymen you may even get the job done right.

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09/29/2009 3:28 PM

You may not be perfectly accurate but you are quite right that something seems odd in the OP responses. You get a GA from me for your olfactory acuity.

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09/29/2009 5:42 PM

I am a SCADA/Instrumentation inspector helping with electrical inspections. I never intended to be dishonest. The electrical contractor for this new water treatment plant has been known to take short cuts.

I apologize to all for not recognizing the local code. I am not an electrican by trade, but a electrical engineer on the process and control side. My intent was to research how to do the job right. Please forgive me of my ignorance.

Again I never intended to be dishonet, but intended to find out how to do it right. Thanks to all for their input. Greatly appreciated.

Regards and God bless,

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09/29/2009 5:59 PM

Ok, rabat, that seems cool - but next time, please just 'fess up & ask the question (with as much background as possible) directly - save a lot of bother & possible bad feelings all round.

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09/29/2009 3:50 PM

A quick review of Rabat's post entries shows he is repeatedly asking basic questions from the point of view of a consulting engineer or technician who is way out of his depth.

Rabat - Taking fees to undertake work to inspect and design items to which you are clearly incompotent to perform is unethical and a PUBLIC DANGER. Please stop the charade you are playing on this and the other posts you have written.

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09/29/2009 6:33 PM

I just told the world that I am a SCADA/Instrumentation/DCS inspector helping with electrical inspection. I am not a consulting engineer or technician. You judge a book by it's cover.

The other post I have posted are for my general knowledge "Pumps, Space Heaters, grounding, etc". Again I am a SCADA/Instrumentation/DCS inspector.

I hear of alot of construction issues in the office and for answers I can't really find I'll post for my general knowledge or read other peoples post.

Please read and think before you post. Get to know someone before you judge them, rather than just crucify them for lack of information you have seen. I have been honest and direct ever since I have opened this account.

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09/29/2009 7:06 PM

Why is," a SCADA/Instrumentation inspector helping with electrical inspections"?

You obviously are not qualified(no offense intended) to sign off on any work that you inspect. Since you would not necessarily recognize electrical problems like a qualified electrical inspector I wonder why you would incur such a potentially staggering lawsuit if your work kills someone. Oops, now I'm repeating myself.

The only crucifixion here was self inflicted!

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09/29/2009 8:44 PM

Ok rabat, you've come clean with us now and everything does seem perfectly innocent. But, questioning somebody else's work skills by asking a group of anonymous people regardless of any individual credentials to verify or refute your concerns is circumspect at best. Now as I mentioned earlier, what you need to know are the pertinent codes from an authorized source. Anything less than that, regardless of the accuracy of the information, will put you in a bad position. So be careful what you say and to whom you bring your concerns.

Now as somebody else mentioned, there are different standards for power grid (utility) cabling and power user (NEC NFPA70) cabling. At first blush the differences in these two standards will seem odd when very heavy gauge cables (user) get clamped onto light gauge (utility) wires to complete a circuit, or a host of other apparent contradictions. So the differences you see in that bunker maybe intentional and quite correct.

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09/29/2009 11:03 PM

Since you do not seem to have the expertise for this type of project, I suggest you hire a consulting engineer that does and learn from him/her for your next project.

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10/16/2009 11:41 AM

what is an electrical manhole

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