Previous in Forum: Main Bearing Bore alignment check   Next in Forum: Unfair Competition for the Chevy Volt?
Close
Close
Close
5 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Participant

Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Newfoundland
Posts: 3

Single Axle Spring Mounts on Flatbed Trailer

10/02/2009 12:07 PM

I am building a single axle flatbed trailer and my question is: how do i figure the distance that the spring mounts for the axle should be placed from one another/from the axle? Should they be put at a specific distribution from the centre line/axle? I know that the axle is placed 60% of the total bed length back from the tongue, but I cannot find anything about the placement of the mounts.

Thanks for any help

__________________
what are ya at b'y
Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Guru
United States - Member - USA! Hobbies - Musician - Sound Man Engineering Fields - Mechanical Engineering - More than a Hobby Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member

Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: City of Roses.
Posts: 2056
Good Answers: 101
#1

Re: Single Axle Spring Mounts on Flatbed Trailer

10/02/2009 3:03 PM

I would suggest studying a few well built, Pre-Engineered trailers of the same caliber as the one you are designing. Without knowing more specifications on your particular built, its hard to give any real answer.

But In general, all the calculations have been done long ago. So there is no real need to do them over, unless you really wish to, or your trailer is a one off custom build.

__________________
Don't believe everything you read on the Internet!
Register to Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Power-User

Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 277
Good Answers: 45
#2

Re: Single Axle Spring Mounts on Flatbed Trailer

10/02/2009 11:03 PM

There was a document (Standards Australia or more probably SAE, can't remember which as this was 35 years ago for me) that outlined all that you need to know. Basically the centre line of the axle in relation to the deck and the (spring) mass of the trailer can be used to determine hitch load. If I recall corerectly the answer to that question is around 10% of the mass of the laden trailer - too much loads the tow vehicle pull and drops the towing vehicle, too little decreases stability.

But the core of your core of your question is (presumably) about where to put the spring hangers when leaf springs are used and a spring shackle/pivot style attachment is used rather than the cheaper and cruder slipper/pivot type method.

All I can recall is some indicative stuff. For example the spring can be broadly treated as a three piece system, about 1/3 fixed in the middle and 1/3 at each end of this, to the spring ends, that arc up and down to simulate the spring flattening. You can use this to get an idea of amount longitudinal movement that takes place - this effects bump steer and shackle angle change during bump and under load. First important point is that the shackle must not go over or go near going over centre. Less important it that a long forward spring hanger, about equal to the camber (bend) of the spring will cause the front part of the spring to be near horozontal and the axle to move up and down near vertically with change in load and reduce axle steer in bumps. Very important point in getting a good design, as distinct from something that works, is that the length and starting angle of the shackle, and the spring camber interact . This can make the actual spring rate vary from 50% to 150% of the nominal spring rate within the normal operating range of the spring. A good design will aim for 50% nominal spring rate when the trailer is unladen and 150% when it is laden.

If you can't find the document that I referred to above (or one similar) then the above is probably enough to allow a rough geometric assessment of what you propose to be done.

Register to Reply
Commentator

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Phoenix Arizona
Posts: 92
Good Answers: 1
#3

Re: Single Axle Spring Mounts on Flatbed Trailer

10/02/2009 11:23 PM

I believe if I understand your question properly it would depend upon the structure of your deck. The springs need to be wide enough apart to be stable, but not so wide that they create tire/fender clearance issues. Without seeing your design or at least your dimensional needs and component dimensions it is very difficult to answer your question.

Register to Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Guru
Hobbies - RC Aircraft - New Member Hobbies - Automotive Performance - New Member Hobbies - DIY Welding - New Member

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Fort Lauderdale Florida
Posts: 5708
Good Answers: 123
#4

Re: Single Axle Spring Mounts on Flatbed Trailer

10/02/2009 11:30 PM

The springs must be mounted to the frame of the trailer. The wider the frame is, the more stable the trailer will be to swaying on turns if all other things remain the same.

As for the distance from the axle, try to determine the sprung weight of the trailer loaded, and unloaded. Select a spring that will live comfortable with that weight. Then do a test fit of the wheels, tires, springs, and desired hight of the trailer. That should give you an idea of the placement of the spring hangers. Don't forget to figure the deflection of the springs as they are loaded. Your spring supplier should be able to help with this. Good luck.

__________________
Bob
Register to Reply
Participant

Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1
#5

Re: Single Axle Spring Mounts on Flatbed Trailer

11/05/2009 10:22 AM

You have to know a couple of answer about your trailer structure and your loads which will be start start back of your trailer and it s gonna finish end of the trailer. Or what will you carry w your trailer for instance -single point loading or spread loading- they are important for your axle position. If u don't know or don't calculate you will be get big problem when you are pulling your trailer. All reasons are gonna effect your car that cause I am asking for. for example, if you don't calculate and put your axle close end of your trailer, your car carries more then it s suppose to carry. Your car's pulling weight limit must be approximately 200pounds (support's reaction force-it s not your trailer's capacity dont misunderstand me please.) . If u put your axle 20inches different then it s suppose to be, your car can be brake etc. anyway, You have to tell us, first of em; * What will you carry w your trailer and how * How much weight can your car pull? (or you can tell me your puller model, truck-car-van etc) * How many inches is your tailer length ? ( I would prefer mm(millimeter-metric system) I know that my answer was too late, but it s very important and can be useful.

Register to Reply
Register to Reply 5 comments

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

bob c (1); Engineering Superman (1); RVZ717 (1); squidward (1); TrevorM (1)

Previous in Forum: Main Bearing Bore alignment check   Next in Forum: Unfair Competition for the Chevy Volt?

Advertisement