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Reducing the Bernoulli Effect on Loose Laid Membrane

10/09/2009 9:23 AM

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I have been hooked into involvement with the band boosters for a small high school marching band for which my grandson plays tenor sax. They are a small band of 20 members and compete against mega schools whose color guard is bigger than his entire 8th grade class.

To make themselves look bigger against the backdrop of a football field, they (and the band boosters) scurry to spread out a decorated tarp to perform on. This seems to focus the spectators' and judges' attention to their performing area and they do not look so small on the field.

It seems gusts of wind (+25mph) will catch the top surface of the tarp and begin to pillow it up. We have a system for weighting the windward sides, but this does not protect us from what I believe is the Bernoulli effect.

I have proposed cutting holes into the tarp to possibly allow the escape of the air sucked in from the perimeters. I am also thinking we could use the wind passing over the tarp and the holes to create some vacuum to keep the tarp hugging the grassy (sometimes artificial grass) field.

Mechanically attached roof membrane manufacturers seem to have resolved this problem by installing relief vents in their membrane and I am sure there is a calculation involved to determine spacing and area of these holes in the membrane. Their advantage though is the perimeters are fully attached and sealed. Our advantage is we are not dealing with a pressurized building below.

We could choose some arbitrarily contrived pattern of relief holes, but I would like to understand this problem and feel confident of a solution before poking holes in their playing surface.

The tarp measures 30 yards x 18 yards and is centered on the press box side of the field between the 35 yard lines. We have 2 minutes to set up the field and 2 minutes to get completely off the field. Anchors into the field are not an option.

I am looking for methods to calculate the cure for this problem and look forward to reading the thoughts of the collective genius of these forums.

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Re: Determine method to reduce Bernoulli affect on loose laid membrane

10/09/2009 11:49 AM

Yes, cutting holes will help, since they will equalize the pressure above and below the tarp.

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10/09/2009 11:20 PM

Curious...would netting be a better membrane, checkout the sports netting

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10/10/2009 9:27 AM

Good idea bwire.

The netting would seem to be a good idea. I wonder how well it would paint and hold their artwork with continuous rolling and unrolling.

It would seemed to be lighter and be easier to carry off the field.

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10/10/2009 1:55 AM

If there is puckering of the hole edges it may aggravate the problem. Can you try just pressing down the tarp using light rollers applied from the windward to leeward? There have to be three or four rollers individually manned with the operators running across to ensure sticking to the time frame. This will remove any large area air pockets under the tarp. Wetting the tarp prior to laying may give additional purchase by surface tension.

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10/10/2009 9:42 AM

Thanks bioramani.

Time remains a problem and they are a small group. The boosters, about 6 of us do what we can. The pillowing only seems to occur at the higher wind speeds. This may be due to the weight of the tarp. it takes about 16 of us to snake the tarp off the field while the rest get the percussion instruments and sound cart off.

I am afraid wetting might not leave the field very nice for the next competitor.

I suppose I should try to determine the weight of this tarp for considerations. I believe it to be about 30 mils. I will try to narrow this info down this afternoon at their competition.

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10/11/2009 10:35 AM

I was not able to get a weight last night, but did find the tarp was pieced together from recycled billboard covers.

From a quick google search , it might be 20 mil Thick (16 oz per sq.yd.), which would make it about 540 lbs.

The pictures below are from a calm day earlier this summer.

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10/12/2009 8:56 AM

I'll Try Again to get a picture that is not too big

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