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ELCB CONNECTION

10/10/2009 4:09 AM

We are having 440V 32Amps ,3 Phase Welding machine , which is having R Y B phase supply plus Earth connections. We want to connect a 4 Pole ELCB for earth fault protection. What is the connection we need to give in that 4 poles...(Whether RYB+E or RYB+N)....? If it is neutral means how to give that connection.....?

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Re: ELCB CONNECTION

10/10/2009 4:47 AM

The ELCB will work correctly if you just connect the 3 phases through it, and leave 1 pole spare.

If you want the test button to work, usually the pole left unconnected should be one of the outside poles, 1 or 4, as the test button works between poles 2 and 3.

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Re: ELCB CONNECTION

10/10/2009 10:04 AM

It was a new knowledge for me that the ELCB works in 3 phase with no neutral.!!!Will it work actually ?Have u ever seen this......?

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10/10/2009 3:02 PM

Seen, it, done it many times, mainly when protecting reefers (refrigerated shipping containers) which all have 3-phase motors (no neutral) and must be RCD-protected in container parks here (NZ).

A basic grasp of 3-phase theory will greatly assist you in understanding how this works.

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10/11/2009 5:11 AM

I have a thourough idea of the working of ELCb,where it continously samples the phase n neutral sum of which will be zero always......Ia+Ib+Ic+In=0...in 3 phase systems Ia
+Ib+Ic=0...but I haven't seen a 4p Elcb working on a 3 phase systems........

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Re: ELCB CONNECTION

10/12/2009 5:05 AM

As yours is a 3-phase balanced kind of load, here there will not be any neutral current. All the three phases will be loaded equally. Still your equation will hold good.

Ia + Ib + Ic + In = 0

(i.e.) Ia + Ib + Ic + 0 = 0 in your case.

Any earth fault inside the machine, this balance is affected and the ELCB operates.

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#2

Re: ELCB CONNECTION

10/10/2009 7:42 AM

I agree with Paul, but ensure the working of the TEST facility after connecting as above.

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Re: ELCB CONNECTION

10/16/2009 1:13 PM

Its never possible as Ia+Ib+Ic =0 in 3 wire system and if u connect 4p ELCB in that system the total current of that is always zero.So no net induction to the coil on earth fault is also zero.........

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10/11/2009 1:50 AM

RYB+N should be coonected to ELCB AND EARTH IS CONNECTED ALSO BUT DIRECT TO EARTH BAR

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Re: ELCB CONNECTION

10/12/2009 11:46 AM

Thanks to all friends.. But only thing is if i connect only RYB means it is necessary to connect the earth also with that..?

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