Hydraulic Motor Help

Hi martillo,

Welcome to CR4.

You might give us some more information: Your location is a good start.

Then, without disclosing any intellectual properties, kindly tell us what makes your engine different/better.

Is your motor more efficient than a "fuel motor"? What creates the energy that would make this motor perform work?

Thanks.

"Welcome to CR4."

Thanks.

"You might give us some more information: Your location is a good start."

Country: Uruguay. City: Salto.

"Then, without disclosing any intellectual properties, kindly tell us what makes your engine different/better."

As I said it waives quite all the mechanical parts of a conventional fuel motor and its transmission. I'm sorry but I cannot detal more which parts are waived and how.

"Is your motor more efficient than a "fuel motor"? What creates the energy that would make this motor perform work?"

No, it is a fuel motor but works differently. Seems much be lighter (weight less) than a conventional motor and much less complicated mechanical parts.

"... it is a fuel motor ..."

Can we then assume it's a combustion engine?

[BTW - welcome ]

"Can we then assume it's a combustion engine?"

Yes. It could be a gas (2T or 4T) or diesel motor.

Note: If t weigh much less it will consume much less (more efficient), isn't it?

I'm putting my money on another external combustion engine design.

If this is the case, it has been looked into numerous times, and presented to the major players and turned down... Long startup times, flimsy throttle response...

But on the upside, virtually anything that will burn can be used as a fuel, and many applications do exist for such an engine, such as power generation.

That would be my guess... but its still just a guess.

In any case, I wish the best of luck to you.

I don't have time nor resources to build even a prototype and I don't want to do that.

I want to give the idea to Mechanical Engineers to the Company to develop the technical specifications in the deeper level needed, build prototypes, analize performance and the appropiated cases of applications, and for the Company to fabricate it comercially with the economical benefits.

I would just like to receive some money now if it would be approved theoretically by some Engineer as a possible and interesting idea to be developed by the development center, may be some more if it successfuly pass the prototypes implementation and who knows later if it really give economical benefits to the Company I could receive something else but this if it finds this appropiated, I think.

I think I will find a Company to do this in one way or another.

In the USA,

You would need documentation that is DATED and WITNESSED by technically competent persons who can testify in a court that this device was invented by you and when.

The more of this you have the stronger your case will be when, not if, you go to court.

Notebooks, sketches, pictures are all important, but only if you can establish the dates you conceived the idea.

You do not need a working model.

Good Luck

I think you don't understand what I want.

I don't want to go any court. I don't want to patent on myself.

I just want someone at some "big" company, which would not have problems to pay some money that would be neglihible for it, and sell the idea for their Engineers do what they want with it.

I just need someone that could analyze and evaluate it and recognize it s a goog idea that could work and deserves to be developed further by more specialized engineers and receive some money for it, nothing else.

I understand what you want. First, you will have to find honest, ethical people who will not steal your idea. You need documentation to prove that the idea is yours and not the guys you just showed it to.

Big companies are not ethical. Small companies may not be either. Protect yourself, or you will give it away to the wolves and attorneys.

Good luck, you need an agent.

What you want is not the way to go about it... unless you just want to give your idea to a company... If this company doesn't have any legal reason not to steal your idea, then sure enough they will take it, say it's theirs, and pretend they don't know you. You will have to tell them what it is before they will show you 2 cents.

And some "Big" company does not care about taking a good idea from some guy who does not hold the patent. Would you pay money for something you can have for free? most likely not.

You'll need to hold the legal rights to the thing before you can try to make money on the idea.

Hello Martillo.

"Patent it yourself" it's an amazing book when it comes to understanding how to protect your intellectual work by means of a patent.

At least on an initial phase It's not difficult, you just need to take the right steps.

Go here and buy the book ( How to make patent drawings it's a wonderful complement to the first book mentioned).

http://www.amazon.com/Patent-Yourself-12th-David-Pressman/dp/1413305164

Best of lucks.

Understand that major companies do not want people from the outside presenting ideas for proposed usage.

Typically, these companies employ hundreds, or sometimes thousands of technical people who are being paid to come up with ideas.

They want to keep all of this in-house. It becomes a legal, moral, internal political and technical hassle they don't want to deal with.

Also, if you don't protect yourself, you'll get nothing out of it, or it could take years to receive anything.

Just check on the web for "intermittent windshield wiper" to see what a small inventor went through with a major corporation to get credit and payment for an idea submitted from outside the corporate structure.

If you really want to have a go, on the cheap, and are willing to roll-the-dice on backing your own abilities, then you may consider doing the following... (I accept no liability in giving this advice).

Draft and file a provisional patent yourself <$100.

Write a confidentiality agreement yourself, copying templates from the interweb.

Take a respectable friend with you when you approach the company that you think will have an interest in your idea. The company must sign the confidentiality agreement before you give any detail. Explain to them your brilliant idea, getting them to sign-off each of the inventive ideas that you present to them.

If they don't want to license the idea, but still use it anyway, you will have to present your idea to the next company if they license it from you they will also have something to gain in protecting the idea.

...

Be prepared to fight, or lose it.

Let us know how it all goes.

I know of a pair of brothers that came up with the idea of installing a LED light into a pocket knife. They were careful to date all of their work, and document it. They then sent a letter describing it to a major manufacturer of pocket knives. The reply was that they did not see the idea as marketable. Three years later that company offered the product for sale. When they contacted the company, they were told that the idea was the company's. The brothers found a patent lawyer that would work for a piece of the settlement. after years of delays, and postponements, the brothers managed to get a small settlement, and a percentage of future sales. The lawyer received more than half the settlement money. His fee was only about 20%, but his expenses had to come off of the top of the settlement. That left the brothers left to split 40%. But at least there was the percentage of the future sales. Shortly after the company redesigned the handle to use a different type of battery, and a different voltage. Then they sent the letter saying that the new design was totally designed in house, and there would be no royalties from the sales of the new design. And then the old design was dropped from the lineup.

Protect yourself. good luck.

Having spent £1000's on patents, and been through legal arguments,
I only have one advice - do it yourself - or forget it.

I know this is harsh, and you feel your idea is "good for humanity"
but the reality is, unless you progress this yourself, you will almost
certainly "give it away" i.e. someone will steal, copy, or change it.

If you do not have the resources to do it yourself (been there) then
you could approach friends, who with a written agreement may help, and
then honour what they have agreed; but you still need to involve yourself.

I am on the point of completing a web site to do what you require; with
some likely (possible) reward for the "inventor" but,- this is never certain.
So if you wish to contact me about it, please do. - but no promises!

Human nature is what it is; no one is willing to pay for what they get free;
and, even someone who has no need to steal it, may, if they are tempted.

Good luck - but don't give up your day job!
- unless you are prepared to follow your idea/dream to the end of the road.

jt.

They told me to go for it, ... but when I went it had gone.

Thanks all for the comments but let me say you are being too pessimistic about human kind. You tell about the failed cases and I think forgiving the succeded cases.

You know, at the end, we are always trusting in others in our daily life. If you analyze in deep everything in our World runs relying in humans responsibilities and you know, this world is running fine because lot of those humans do their "work" well and a big characteristic of qute them all is honesty.

Let we see how this runs.

"jt":

Why don't you post the link to your site. It could be interesting to take a look on it.

I wouldn't say we've been pessimistic as much as realistic. Much of the advice you've been given is based on hard experience. I could tell you another tale supporting it - and when you've trusted someone and you get kicked in the balls, it takes more than an ice pack to stop it hurting.

Do it your way if you will - certainly none of us can stop you - but you have been warned.

Good luck.

I salute your outlook on life. I'd like to think there are honest, ethical people out there, too.

Well all I can say is be careful.

I designed a Box Grabber, that enabled HVAC technicians to lower the grabber of the side of the building, stab into the cardboard box sides and pull the filter boxes up to the roof.

this saved time and well the guys did not have to go up and down the ladders to get the job done. A tech from another company saw it and i showed him how it worked.

it is now sold as the Box Grabber in every HVAC warehouse, i had not patents he is a millionare and i struggle to keep my house in today market.

So as all have said be careful, still love mankind just don't trust freewill.

First, do a patent search online.Make sure your idea is new and unique.This will save a lot of headaches in the future.A working model is not required, but a decription detailed enough to make the device is required.

The first time you file a patent application, it will be refused.This always happens, it is a ploy to get you to resubmit with more fees.The second time is usually the charm unless there are serious problems wit the idea;previous art duplication,etc.

I have one patent, in the USA and this is what I went thru.Time consuming and costly, but worth it in the end.There are also maintenence fees every 4 years to contend with, since the USPO is no longer supported by taxpayers and must rely on fees to survive.

There's a company named Lightning Hybrids entering a hydraulic biodiesel in the automotive X prize competition. Most have dismissed hydraulics as one of the methods for the next automotive propulsion method, but I can assure you that all of the modeling indicates that this is the most economical method. I've been working on a car like this for some time. I decided not to enter because of divulgation reasons. They are a small company, pretty far along but they may be interested in your idea. The larger companies don't work well on things like this. They are in Colorado. http://www.lightninghybrids.com/ is their URL. They would be able to tell you pretty quickly if your idea would work.

It only costs $100 (as a small entity, to USPTO) to get a provisional patent for your idea. That gives you a year to get a design type patent if you would like. I've done this before and could show you the way to do this (for free, or just visit the USPTO Government web site). I visit USPTO in Alexandria VA and do searches on my ideas in their public search facility. I could also help you in determining whether your idea would work, but only if we came up with an agreement to document that the idea is yours.

Good luck from a fellow EE.

Thanks for the comments and the link. I will take a look.

I agree that too big companies could not be the ideal way this case. Too much burocracy and too hard to reach the people at "high" positions enough to give the right importance to the subject, some guarantee on confidentially, to get personally involved in the subject, to pay in a short period of time, etc. The idea would be stay in some desk for a long period of time and somebody else would just take it and sell it...