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Ball joint problem

11/15/2009 10:24 AM

I am currently designing a standing light which uses a ball joint in the base. Through the ball joint it will swivel 360 degrees and tilt up to 25 degrees. It should be able to hold its own weight in all different angels.

And this is the problem, how to make a ball joint that doesn't wear out by being tilted and turned all the time? Will it need a spring or something like that?

I have got my first prototype ready using a steel ball, held in position by a stainless steel cap which is threaded onto the base. The joint works perfect, but goes a bit loose after being moved something like 20 times.

Does anyone know how to make a ball joint that doesn't wear out so quick, or where to find more information on the subject?

All answers and information appreciated!

Thanks.

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11/15/2009 10:44 AM

You need a tension adjustment device. You will have to have some type of hemispherical cup that accepts the ball. I see one side split with a thumb screw attached for adjusting the tension. The simplest thing to try is a hose clamp around the cup with a slit in the side. Hope this makes sense.

A nylon cup bushing would help reduce wear, too.

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11/15/2009 11:15 AM

Or use one of Mother Natures friction materials like cork, they used it on motor bike clutches for many years.
Spring loaded with a cork friction suface, bish bash bosh, job's a good un (Cheques or Tuna to Dell the Cat c/o KrisDelTM enterprises, Etherville England.)
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11/21/2009 11:50 AM

Thanks for your answers!

I think I'll try the cork solution first as this is the easiest to try out.

However, does anyone know any books or written material on different solutions for this?

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11/15/2009 11:22 AM

Or,

Copy something like this.

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11/15/2009 12:44 PM

So, cheat. Look at the swivel on a cheap camera tripod. Copy it.

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11/16/2009 9:45 AM

If you have seen a ball valve the ball is trapped between two concave nylon discs, copy that but load one side with a spring which can be adjusted with a screw to vary the clamping friction, and of course leave the spindle hole large enough for your angle of tilt. No tuna thanks.

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11/21/2009 2:52 PM

Thanks for your interest in my problem. It has now led me to some more questions.. My current prototype is using a clamp mechanic (a cap which is turned onto a threaded hemisphere shape in which the ball lays) and the friction pressure can be adjusted and tightened by hand, in a similar way to what most of you have suggested. Except both my parts are steel.

Will it wear out slower and be tighter if it has a washer of nylon or cork with a spring rather than using steel against steel?

As most (or all?) solutions involve some kind of wearing, and are based on something that is adjusted as it wears out, I am wondering if it would be possible to use a ball joint with magnets inside both the hemisphere shape and the ball to give the ball only a limited amount of positions (where the magnets are), but positions where it would stay for sure without moving because of the magnetism and dont slide out of because of loss of friction pressure due to wearing? has anyone heard of a such kind of ball joint?

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