More Planck's constants?

If one looks at the constant suggested

m_c = E_i / n_i c² = 7.37249639 x 10^-51 kg,

it is a question if it is a real constant with meaning - the reason being the incredible small size. Please keep in mind that there is no physical infinite small size of space. Below 10^-43 space becomes meaningless and is probably granular and not continuous. The issue of the density of the mass Mc is an issue at this incredible small mass - is it meaningful?

The real question is what is wrong with the analysis?

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Thank for your intervention!

You must rationally accept that whatever our subjective belief (right belief or misbelief), the three physics entities in the Plank's experiment (the energy per second E_i , the frequency v_i, and the number of oscillation periods n_i during one second), which has been rigorous measured by Planck, are physics objective reality. Thereupon the physics constants resulted from them combination, must be physics objective reality, too.

Even more, the two lesser sisters of the h constant (Energy ĥ and Mass m_c ,liberated from prison after a century), inform us that space is not a passive physics entity, but it knocks the moving photon with particles of mass m_c, at speed c, by n_i times per second, as a veritable kinetic superfluid surroundings, populated with elementary quantum particles at the kinetic speed c.

It means that the photon is excited - disexcited by n_i times per second (through knocking process), i.e. it absorbs from space and emits to space, n_i elementary quantum particles of mass m_c per second.

Those physics constants inform us that the energy of the photon varys by n_i times per second, between two energy levels at a reciprocal difference equl to the elementary quantum energy ĥ.

What is wrong with this objective physics reality resulted rigorous from the Planck's experiment?

What do you think again, can be useful to continue the analyse about the implications of the two new physics constants in the future scientific knowledge?

Best Regards,

Iulian Somacescu

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With reference the 3rd submission, I would comment as follows: The frequency designated v and the oscillations per second designated n in the analysis, is in fact the same quantity describe with the relationship of freq v = 1/n. I therefore have zero understanding as to why both v and n are mentioned as if they are unrelated and therefore are required as a third "constant".

In the further development the peak to peak energy variation of the photon is described. Normally this is described with a reference to the "effective" wave energy of the wave like one would find in normal signal analysis. I do not see the relevance of the oscilatory argument and perhaps Iulian Somacescu can follow-up with a point of clarification.

There is a constant called Planck mass which is surprisingly large compared with the other constants.

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Hello Wessel!

I remember a rationale principle, which says: When two persons did not understand about a thing, then one of them must to change its argumentation!

About your obiection with respect to the number n_i , other my argumentation is thus:

We all know that during a second of oscillating process, there are n_i time periods of oscillations.

During the same time Planck measured an energy E_i , which is composed of n_i elementary quantum of energy ĥ (numed so, because it does not depend on the subjective time unit, being a natural quantification of E_i in any oscillating procss).

From the ratio of E_i and ĥ , both being expressed with Joules, results n_i as obviously a dimensionless number.
It stands to reason both new Planck's contsants (the elementary quantum particle m_c = E_i / n_i c² = 7.37249639 x 10^-51 kg, and the elementary quantum energy ĥ = E_i / n_i =m_c c² =6.6260693(11) x 10^-34 J ), are a objective physics reality resulted from rigorous experiments.

An other rationale principle says: when two diverse entities have an element common in them compositions(two photons with diverse frequency in this case), then that common element (the elementary quantum particle m_c in this case ), has one's origin in other third entity, which must be included into analyse.

The third entity is obviously the space, which for to comply with Planck's experiments, it must be a superfluid composed of free elementary particles m_c, equidistributed at kinetic speed c.

Also the photon, for to comply with Planck's experiments, it must be a cluster - superfluid, composed of bound/clutered elementary particles m_c, equidistributed at kinetic speed c_c<<c , where the value of the speed c_c , results from the presure balance at limit between the cluster - photon, on the one hand, and and the space, on the other hand.
All these are an objective physics reality, because they result from rigorous Planck's experiments.

Best Regards,

Iulian Somacescu

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Iulian Somacescu

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Dear Iulian,

We seems to disagree on some fundamentals. Allow me the poetic freedom to state the basics again and then you can counter the argument before we enter into the nature of space discussion.

The dimensions of E (Energy) is [Joule]. We agree on that for starters. In order for the relationship E = h.f to hold true, I would assume you would agree that the frequency dimension is [1/s]. It follows from simple dimensional analsis and algebra that h must be [Joule.s], and not as you stated [Joule].

In the general form E = n.h.f where n is an (dimensionless) integer counting the number of quantum energy packages. The Rayleigh-Jeans experiment show this clearly and no doubt you are familiar with it.

You use a subscript i - what is it refering to?

I therefore do not agree with the statement in your submission that n (= 1/f) in your analysis is dimensionless. Is there a finite chance that you are confusing n (integer) and n (= 1/f)?

In addition, I am confused with the concept of "elementary" quantum energy. Why use "elementary" if quantum is in fact the most basic energy package?

You state h = E/n = mc^2. The dimensions simply does not balance. h[J.s] is not equal to E/n but to E/f [Joule.s]. My previous point.

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Hello Wessel !

Thank for your replay!

For clarification, I am trying solve confusions step by step.

1)-Your assertion: "It follows from simple dimensional analsis and algebra that h must be [Joule.s], and not as you stated [Joule]...You state h = E/n = mc^2. The dimensions simply does not balance. h[J.s] is not equal to E/n but to E/f [Joule.s]. My previous point."

My answer: Please do difference between h-Planck's constant (i.e. the spectral density of energy) and ĥ(with upper circumflex) = E_i / n_i =m_c c²(i.e. the elementary quantum of energy during a single period of the oscillating process), which they are two different physics entities. If you can, please do not more repeat this confusion!

2)-Your assertion: You use a subscript i - what is it refering to?

My answer: I used notation E_i , v_i ,n_i ,etc., where "i" index=1,2,3...(i.e. marking with number for each type of photon), expresses that for each different E_i (i.e.photon) there is a set of physical values (v_i ,n_i ,etc.) for the same photon i.

3)- Your assertion: "I therefore do not agree with the statement in your submission that n (= 1/f) in your analysis is dimensionless. Is there a finite chance that you are confusing n (integer) and n (= 1/f)?"

My answer: Your assertion "n (= 1/f)" is not(and it is never possible) in my argumentation.

4)- Your question: "In addition, I am confused with the concept of "elementary" quantum energy. Why use "elementary" if quantum is in fact the most basic energy package?"
My answer: In my post 2 I wrote -[The two new Planck's constants (Energy ĥ and Mass m_c ...), inform us that space is not a passive physics entity, but it knocks the moving photon with particles of mass m_c, at speed c, by n_i times per second, as a veritable kinetic superfluid surroundings, populated with elementary quantum particles at the kinetic speed c.

It means that the photon is excited - disexcited by n_i times per second (through knocking process), i.e. it absorbs from space and emits to space, n_i elementary quantum particles of mass m_c per second.]

The photon energy increases with ĥ=m_c c²J, when it absorbs an free elementary quantum particle (EQP) from a spatial knock, and decreases with ĥ energy when it emites a bound EQP at speed c, into the space, during excitation-relaxation

cycle (i.e. the period of pulsatile process). The ĥ energy is named "elementary" because it is the smallest "energy package" in the quantum oscillating radiations, so it results from the Palnck's experiments. You yourself, can understand that any other bigger energy package can't be "elementary" compared with ĥ energy.

The photon, for to comply with Planck's experiments, it must be a cluster - superfluid, composed of bound/clutered elementary particles m_c, equidistributed at kinetic speed c_c<<c , where the value of the speed c_c , results from the pressure balance at the limit of the cluster - photon, in touch with the space.

The pressure (i.e. the energy volume density), for to remains in balance, it must that volume of the photon should be variable. When the photon is excited (i.e. it absorbs a free EQP), its radius increases. When it is de-excited (i.e. it emits an EQP), its radius decreases.

It results that the photon is an pulsatile cluster-superfluid, which vibrates radially at a frequency v_i.
Based on Einstein's equation m=E/ c², the mass of photon at the speed c is m_i = E_i / c², resulting n_i m_c =m_i , i.e. the mass of the photon at speed c is equal to the amount mass of all elementary quantum particle absorbed and emitted by the photon from and into the space, during n_i cycles of excitation-relaxation per second, in collisions with free intercepted elementary quantum particles.

In fact E_i is the energy reciprocal exchanged by the photon and the space in the time unit.

The variation of n_i number from one photon to other (the spectral disposition), depend on the transparence index of the each photon, toward free elementary quantum particles, which are intercepted per time unit.

From the two new Planck's constants, other two principle of the rationale quantum knowing result, thus:

a) - The elementary quantum particle and energy, are individually undiscernible, and they can be known only as Planck's constants, intermediate through energy and period numbers of the radiatios.

b) - The c and c_c speeds of the free and bound elementary quantum particles are not mechanical speeds (like the speed v<<c at discernable bodies) , but the mean speeds in the kinetic superfluid both space and cluster-photons & particles.

Best Regards,

Iulian Somacescu

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