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Transformer Ratings

12/17/2009 8:01 AM

Why are the ratings of transformers in multiples of 11? eg- 66kv/33kv,33kv/11kv,etc.

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Re: Transformer ratings

12/17/2009 8:25 AM

Ahhhh. This is CR4's favourite topic.

The answer is ............

Because the line voltages are some times in multiples of 11.

Infact I didn't know that 230V, 415V, 120V, 24V, 25KV,800KV, 400KV are multiples of 11

But then I grow old and forget the tables learnt ages ago.

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Re: Transformer ratings

12/17/2009 10:06 AM

But what about the following concepts: 1)to accomodate for transmission losses which generally account to 10% of transmission, 10kv earlier used was changed to 11kv 2)for a single phase 2-wire distribution system, when 1 phase to neutral is used for load tapping, 110v is used; when load is connected between the 2 phase wires, 220 v is used Are these facts or notions?

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Re: Transformer ratings

12/17/2009 10:56 AM

Because the form factor is 1.11 for sine wave so all voltages have multiplies of 11, Got it?

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Re: Transformer ratings

12/17/2009 11:29 AM

That's what somebody told earlier too.

But what is the physical significance of form factor? How does a ratio RMS / Average really affect the power generation or transmission?

The whole concept is arbitrary.

As M guessed - once upon a time, people thought that in transmission there will be 10% voltage drop. So let us boost the generation.

Now there are other methods, still the old habits die hard, so the 11s are continuing.

(You have now compensators, AVRs... all in the line to account for and minimize the drops.)

That's why all the new EHV lines are no more multiples.

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12/18/2009 8:24 AM

The first known man-made source of electricity is a cell, which is DC in nature. But, after realizing the disadvantages of the DC electric equipments, AC Electricity generating machines were invented. When these AC Machines were developed, the power of these machines was to be compared with the already available DC electricity, as it is human tendency to compare anything new with the existing ones. As in the case of steam engines. (When steam engines were invented, the power of the steam engines was compared with that of the horses, which were the power sources before the invention of the steam engine).

So, a value called RMS Value for AC Electricity was derived which compared the effectiveness of the AC Electricity with that of the DC Electricity. This value is the Effective Value of AC Electricity. As we were more interested in knowing the effect of AC electricity, all measuring instruments were and are designed to measure only the RMS value of AC electricity – may it be Voltage, Current, Power, etc.

But, for the designer sitting in the design lab, more than the effective value, the average value over a period on one sinusoidal cycle of AC Electricity was important. So, he designed an AC electric Generator, which would produce, on an average, a voltage over a period of one cycle, of say, 10kV (10 is a round figure, you know).

But, when this machine was built to the design and put to operation and when the output voltage was measured, it was found to be 11kV, as the meter was measuring NOT the average value but the effective or the RMS value. This relation existed for any voltage. So, a factor was arrived at – relating the RMS value and the average value, called Form Factor, which is the ratio of RMS value to the Average value, which for a sinusoidal wave form was about 1.1. Then, when the voltage was to be transformed, it was easy to have a whole number for the turns ratio of the transformer and hence all subsequent AC voltages became multiples of 11.

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