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Economics of Gas turbine Vs Diesel Engine for Power Generation

12/20/2009 6:57 AM

Salam All Engineers! Welcome any ideas about the Economics of Gas Turbine Vs Diesel Engine for Power Generation for a range between 4 to 8 MW (380V, 60Hz, 3 Phase). Capital Investment, Operation cost, Maintenance (Please comment any + or - points that you know). I have no idea about cost of Gas, but of Diesel is US$5.74 for 100Ltrs. A 2.0MW Diesel Generator costs approx US$540,000. Location Saudi Arabia Thanks in Advance......Hari

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Re: Economics of Gas turbine Vs Diesel Engine for Power Generation

12/20/2009 7:14 AM

For this size of power station, the DG set is preferable.

Typically the efficiencies are comparable (unless yoy go for CCTP, which may not be economical at this low capacity)

Initial Investment is likely to be more for Gt (at least 10-20%)

Operations cost, including controls, you are aware the simple construction and operation of the DG Sets.

But if you are going to use the GT of gas fired (not diesel fired), the equation will change. The low cost of gas is likely to over take the capital(+10-20%), Erection& Commissioning (Typically minimum 24 months for GT),

Maintenance wise almost both are equivalent in the sense both are extremely low maintenance, but you will need a few more persons in the operations and control of GT (I think you will land up in GE Frame 3 or equivalent).

Get a finance man to do the cost analysis for the two options, it is woth it, since either way you are planning to spend a few million $.

(And all these from OEM of GT , though all our captives are DG Sets, then again we don't have the Gas Source available that you have)

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Re: Economics of Gas turbine Vs Diesel Engine for Power Generation

12/20/2009 11:13 PM

Since your location is in Saudi Arabia you can inquire from Olayan Group power generation. One Power Plant in Riyadh (PP-9) more than 3000MW natural gas power plant located in Dammam hi-way and yet expanding more units, interconnected to entire Riyadh-Kharj HT transmission grid. KSA is oil producing country but SCECO prefered nat. gas PP instead of diesel PP because of less operating and maintenance cost. Diesel fuel cost 21 halalah at nat gas about 18 halala, gasoline 91% is 45 halalah and 95% is 60 halalah.

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Re: Economics of Gas turbine Vs Diesel Engine for Power Generation

12/20/2009 11:20 PM

You need to consider if you have a use for the exhaust heat. There are thermo-electric generators that can convert heat delta T to electricity or heat exchangers to make steam. Thus increasing the cycle efficiency. Don't forget to take into account your in-house power needs if a system gets complex, thermal plants can use 7% to 10% of there generation for in-house loads.

There is also the possibility of a steam, hot water or chilled water customer that the exhaust from either diesel or GT can be routed thru a chiller or boiler, 4-8MW GT can drive a 500kW+ back-pressure ST producing 10,000lbs/hr 50psig steam or more.

Staffing is dependent upon the system and it's location, safe control systems can usually summon an operator and if necessary shut a unit down without operator intervention. We did this with a 4.5 MW GT, 600psig waste-heat boiler and 500psig back-pressure ST, which if it shutdown a back-up boiler in hot standby picked up the load.

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Re: Economics of Gas turbine Vs Diesel Engine for Power Generation

12/21/2009 7:05 PM

i am interested in DG heat recovery CoronaCameraman.

I know that cummins and Caterpillar have DG that one can recycle heat from. Can you give me information on any DG with integrated heat recovery?

Thanks

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12/22/2009 4:36 AM

There are only three options you can choose in Saudi Arabia. Since my job location in Gulf Regions including Saudi Arabia. In Saudi Arabia kingdom wide military projects(Saudi Arabia National Guard or SANG). Some military sites or Firing Range Complexes are few kilometers from SCECO LV/MV substation wherein it is difficult to run commercial power if the LOAD connected in that particular areas will not be within the bracket of SCECO minimum power requirement policy..(meaning it is small load) to justify SCECO to give you the commercial power. So the option is to contruct your own independent power plant. Here is Saudi Arabia it is like a fairy Tales if you are thinking to construct the thermal/geothermal/hydro-plant here. The possible options here are;

1. Diesel Fired Power Plant

2. Natural Gas Fired Power Plant

3. Nuclear Power Plant

But no. 1 is most prefered because of cheap diesel in Saudi Arabia. Just like you buy brand you car today and throw it in junk shop the next day and buy another one brand new.

So you said your work location is in Saudi Arabia either you decide to have a DG and NG power generating plant is not the big deal here. Since we already had constructed plenty of generating plants kingdom wide such as Caterpillar gensets from Zahid Tractor; Cummin gensets from Olayan Group and you can let them configure to fit your needs and demands....then it will end up no headache for you.

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