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Voltage Outputs and Number of Ballasts

12/21/2009 12:38 PM

Hi everyone, I have a customer with a complain about the output min voltage that varies with the number of ballasts that he wires in parallel to an 0-10V output from one of our dimming controller. Here is his observation: "We are having some problems at a jobsite. We are using a Douglas ALC3-BCM 0-10vdc card to control a SUPER HID 320 M320MH-3-US-C-AD-COM 0-10VDC ballast made by Metrolight. When a single output is wired to a single ballast, ON = 10.01VDC OFF = 0.211VDC When a single output is wired to 2 ballasts, ON = 10.01VDC OFF = 0.403VDC When a single output is wired to 8 ballasts, ON = 10.34VDC OFF = 1.438VDC When a single output is wired to 40+ ballasts, ON = 11.34VDC OFF = 5.438VDC" So my question is : what possible reason could make that to happen? I never experienced something like that. Why does an ideal OFF voltage of 0.25vdc "grow" with every added ballast. In a case of 40 ballasts the OFF voltage is over 5 volts. Thank you. Mariana

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Re: Volatge grow with number of ballasts

12/21/2009 1:05 PM

Has it something to do with the harmonics passed on from the out put to the ballasts ? they are inductive ballasts?

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Re: Volatge grow with number of ballasts

12/21/2009 1:12 PM

All that I know is that these ballast are HID not regular 0-10VDC electronic ballasts. And I have never tested such ballasts. I'm not familiar with them. With regular ballasts, the output voltage will stay constant at ~0.25V , no matter how many ballast wired on the same output.

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Re: Volatge grow with number of ballasts

12/21/2009 2:15 PM

Hello.

Maybe 5.438V is there on the output to compensate for the voltage drop on the lines to each of the 40 balasts (and if you measured directly at every balast it may have the usual 0.2V)?

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Re: Voltage Outputs and Number of Ballasts

12/21/2009 7:57 PM

It sounds like your analog card is producing a voltage source and the input circuitry for your ballasts is actually current sensitive. Without having any documentation about either unit nor how these units are wired and configured, that's the best I can offer.

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Re: Voltage Outputs and Number of Ballasts

12/22/2009 10:07 PM

Where are you measuring this voltage?At the source, or at the ballasts?Do the lamps respond properly?

Need more info to help.

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Re: Voltage Outputs and Number of Ballasts

12/23/2009 9:16 AM

Have you contacted Douglas or Metrolight to ask if your controllers are compatible with your ballasts?

Data on the controller says it can drive up to 50 ballasts per output, as long as the control input of the ballast conforms to a certain standard. Here's a quote from their product data sheet:

"The ALC3-BCM-12 is designed to control electronic

dimming ballasts that utilize the 0-10V control

method. This includes all types of ballasts that use

the same control method as the Phillips/Advance

Mark VII dimming ballast."

So the question is, do the ballasts use the same control method as referenced in the controller data?

Seems to me the controller and ballasts are not compatible, at least not up to the number of ballasts the customer is trying to parallel.

Tom

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