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How to Spec a Power Supply

01/26/2010 5:38 PM

Hi all. I need to know what spec power supply to buy for the following application. To drive a 24V DC motor with gearbox. WATT :240. AMP: 14. RPM: 3800. GEAR RATIO on the gearbox is 32:1. Load: Don't know but the application strain is well under what the motor is designed for. I know input must be 200-240V AC/ ??amp. Then output must be 24V DC/ ??amp How much WATT for output so power supply does not burn? These motors use to run off battery 24V DC 26Ah but I want to power the motors direct from mains. Without over compensating and buying a much too expensive power supply what will be a just more than minimum spec power supply for this motor? Thanks for reading and helping. Regards. OS.

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Re: What spec power supply?

01/26/2010 6:31 PM

Why is the 24VDC motor marked 14A 240W, isn't it 10A 240W?

You could choose a 24VDC power supply rated at the full motor current (14A) but it would be better if you measured the motor current first as you likely do not need such a large power supply. Most power supplies are rated with a higher short-term (overload) current rating which should help power the motor under short term high mechanical load conditions.

A standard 24V 10A 240W (or higher) switchmode power supply should do the trick and are fairly inexpensive now days.

What's the application and physical load?

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01/26/2010 6:46 PM

Hi. Thanks for the answer. It is marked 14A. The unit comes from a wheelchair. I want to use it to power a rotating platform (forum thread 49140#). I went to a shop that supplies power supplies and batteries etc. I told the sales person what I needed and he sold me a 240V AC/3.5A - 12V DC 320W 25A Power supply. I did not check because I asked for a 24V and expected to get a 24V. Now I must go back to the shop and exchange this unit, but I really don't want to go there for a third time if they give me the wrong thing. Want to get all my facts exactly straight and be very specific this time. Oh and I will make a big scene about giving me 12V when I specifically asked for 24V. The place is far out of town.

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01/27/2010 1:32 AM

Forum thread 49140 can be found here http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/49140#newcomments. I am using Safari and linking is something I am still in the dark about.

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01/27/2010 11:15 PM

The folks at CR4 have still not figured out how to use Safari! Download a copy of Firefox (Mozilla.com), and your image and link problems go away.

Assuming you are using a Mac, note that once the download is finished, you get a symbolic message that is NOT obvious. It means: drag the Firefox icon into your Applications folder. Then open the Applications folder and drag that Firefox icon into your Dock.

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01/28/2010 4:07 AM

Thank you. I do have Firefox but safari is my default browser and when I open my e-mails the link for Cr4 opens with safari. Why? Because it is easier to download large files from the net by opening the activity window and double clicking on the item..Goes straight to downloads. I had firefox as my default browser and did not like it as much as safari. . Just lazy to log in from the start.

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01/28/2010 11:47 AM

Then leave the Safari icon in the dock, so you can use it when you want, but set the default (under Safari Preferences) to Firefox, and then the email will open Firefox for CR4.

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01/28/2010 1:21 PM

You Sound Like You are willy to measure & test as you go. At least from your question it is better if you do.

I recently took a Transformer (3" x 4" x 4" ) 240v Input/ 48v Output, mounted on a Sheet of Plexiglass, 6" x 5" x 3/16" , with 4 - 15amp Diodes made a Rectifier Bridge, to put across the output, Mounted on a 4 screw terminal strip/ also Mounted a 5w Potentiometer between the one Transformer Output Lead & the One Rectifier input screw on terminal. With a 6' cord on the Transformer input. With my 600vac/dc VOM,& a scratchpad close by, I measure everything I can before applying Input Power, I than plug the Input Cord into the wall plugin (117/120vac) & switch the VOM off Ohms & proceed to measure everything once more. I Discover; I've made a 120vac/12vac/dc powersupply with the Output Adjustable from 0vac/dc. to 12vac/dc. I Use this Variable Power Supply for testing Small Electric Toys/ Items I have Just repaired, With my Grandchildren(2 boys 8 & 7, 1 girl 5) watching intently. My School Buddy from Grade One & I used to be the Interested 6yr old Bystanders near his Fathers ELECTRIC APPLIANCE REPAIR BENCH. At first we just got to sweep up the shop floor & Greet the customers at the counter, It wasn't long until we were doing some of the simpler repair jobs. Look where we are now, Retired Communication Technicians.

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01/29/2010 2:24 AM

Very inspiring story. Thank you for sharing. Those old heavy copper wounded transformers is something of a dying breed. The power supply I bought is all electronics, weighs as much as a cup and is 85% efficient. No need for heavy copper and iron anymore (which is very expensive) if they can make it work without. I also remember playing around with the old solid transformers. Regards OS.

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01/28/2010 4:22 AM

I went to the shop and they were kind enough to allow me to test the unit on my motor before I buy. Here is the facts. The 14A label on the motor indeed must be wrong or it could be that the manufacturer tested the unit under strain., or took the brake solenoid into account. 250W /24V = 10.4A. The power supply I got is a 350W output and is rated 14,5A. If the motor is running without load it uses 2.2A. When the motor is clamped to a dead still it uses 19A. In this position the motor will burn out but before that happens the automatic protection from the power supply will kick in.The next power supply in the range is a 450W 30A and is much more expensive and besides that if something goes wrong and a total jam result then this larger more powerful power supply will burn the motor.. I decided to take a chance and will measure the Amps in working conditions when the whole rig is built. Thank you all for the input. Hope this thread helps someone else with a similar problem one day. Greetings. OS.

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01/28/2010 8:58 AM

You can always fit a circuit breaker in the supply to the motor once you have worked out maximum safe current required.

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