Previous in Forum: Dual Magnets on Speakers   Next in Forum: Requirements for Rugged Computers - MIL STD 810F, IP54 and MIL STD 461D/E
Close
Close
Close
6 comments
Rating: Comments: Nested
Participant

Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 2

Ethernet over Plastic Optical Fibre

02/11/2010 5:42 PM

Hi - first post here so please be gentle :-) I'm after some advice please. I did search around a bit and couldn't find any related messages - hopefully this is the right thread for this topic.

I'm doing some consulting with a client at the moment who have a number of Ethernet over Plastic Optical Fibre (POF) products. They've been moderately successful in consumer and telco applications but are keen to explore applications in the industrial automation space (which I know is v.broad). POF and standard fibre has been around in this area for a while, but I'm looking for some feedback/advice/thoughts from anyone who's used or is thinking of using Ethernet over POF.

I won't name the company here (I'm not trying to spam!) but in a nutshell the technology offers speeds of 100MBit up to around 70meters point to point, is v.simple to terminate and plug, and provides solid protection from noise, lightning, surges etc.

I'm thinking there would be good application in areas such as water & wastewater, motor control, anything with VFDs/VSDs, power distribution, outstations etc. but would welcome your thoughts. Any gotchas around certifications, protocol standards, throughput, required distances etc that I should be considering?

Many thanks in advance, and if I have posted in the wrong place please let me know and I'll attempt to move it!

Paul..

Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.
Guru

Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Wisconsin USA
Posts: 824
Good Answers: 37
#1

Re: Ethernet over Plastic Optical Fibre

02/13/2010 1:52 AM

Welcome, Paul. Sounds like a good first post to me, with clarity and sufficient detail to explain purpose. Wish I had any experience in the field to answer the question, but . . . Hope someone here DOES have that background.

__________________
" Ignorance and arrogance have more in common than their last four letters. "
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Hobbies - HAM Radio - New Member United Kingdom - Big Ben - New Member Fans of Old Computers - Altair 8800 - New Member Canada - Member - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Toronto
Posts: 3968
Good Answers: 120
#2

Re: Ethernet over Plastic Optical Fibre

02/13/2010 4:31 AM

A friend of mine had problems operating large plasma cutting machines over a serial link. He was able to solve the problem with a POF link. So the people that make machinery that puts out powerful transients like these plasma arcs, that sort of resemble spark transmitters in a way, they may have solutions and references on their web sites. They would of course also be potential clients if their solutions are not as good as yours.

Now his application was not very high in data rate, but it had to be immune to RFI.

I can see a need for such a link from roof-top antennas to the inside for data, Satlinks, TV programs etc, where you would need to transmit a 2000 (or more) Mhz bandwidth to the application and be able to protect the TV from lightning discharges. This would need to be an integrated double ended solution, fully duplex in some applications.

__________________
Per Ardua Ad Astra
Register to Reply
Commentator

Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 99
Good Answers: 2
#3

Re: Ethernet over Plastic Optical Fibre

02/14/2010 11:04 AM

Plastic fiber optic cable has a very high attenuation loss. Typically 1 dB / meter and a bandwidth of only 5 MHz/ kilometer so is only practical in short runs such as automobiles.

Typical fiber used in the backbone of a local area network uses glass 62.5/125 microns (core/cladding diameter) guided index type multimode fiber with attenuation loss of no more than 3 dB/ kilometer (can be as low as 1 dB loss) and a bandwidth of 500 MHz/km.

For Telecom long haul applications single mode fiber (8/125 microns) is used with attenuation loss around 0.25 dB/km and a bandwidth of 100 terahertz.

Hope this helps rethink your use of POF

Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - HAM Radio - New Member United Kingdom - Big Ben - New Member Fans of Old Computers - Altair 8800 - New Member Canada - Member - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Toronto
Posts: 3968
Good Answers: 120
#4
In reply to #3

Re: Ethernet over Plastic Optical Fibre

02/14/2010 6:53 PM

Seems to OK to 100 meters for 100MBPS and 50 meters for 250 MBPS

http://www.firecomms.com/downloads/tech%20papers/SIMPLY%20POF%20R1.pdf

__________________
Per Ardua Ad Astra
Register to Reply
Anonymous Poster
#6
In reply to #3

Re: Ethernet over Plastic Optical Fibre

03/09/2010 12:23 PM

The single mode fiber is of fully glass .

The attenuation loss is also dependent of de wavelenght you want to use.

Typical is 1,55µm. The laser or led must also be tuned on these wavelenght of course.

The only dispersions to fear or waveguide dispersion and material dispersion.

Be ware for short bending because this gives scattering outside the fiberlink.

Register to Reply
Participant

Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 2
#5

Re: Ethernet over Plastic Optical Fibre

02/14/2010 6:58 PM

Thanks very much for the replies so far - really appreciate it!

Register to Reply
Register to Reply 6 comments
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Anonymous Poster (1); aurizon (2); Laserlover (1); pkfrancis (1); Ron (1)

Previous in Forum: Dual Magnets on Speakers   Next in Forum: Requirements for Rugged Computers - MIL STD 810F, IP54 and MIL STD 461D/E

Advertisement