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Welding Cost Difference

03/07/2010 11:56 PM

I would like to know the welding cost difference of following -

We have two cases.In both cases material to be welded are same also the welding rod material is also same along with welding process too.Also,all other factors in both cases are same.

Case-1.

All round weld of fillet weld of 3 mm leg length size to the square plate of size 50 mm each.So,weld total length will be 200 mm.Total volume of weld deposited will be,as per cross-sectional area X weld length calculation will come 900 mm3.

Case-2.

All round weld of fillet weld of 4.5 mm leg length size to the rectangular plate of size 45 mmX 10 mm.So,weld total length will be 110 mm.Total volume of weld deposited will be,as per cross-sectional area X weld length calculation,come 1113 mm3.

How welding cost difference is calculated .

Does welding cost includes both welder charges along with material cost require including any other cost?

or Fabricator charges this above stated cost seperately?

I would like to know what will be the cost difference of both cases.

You can state cost in Indian Rupees or Euro.

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Re: Welding Cost Difference

03/08/2010 12:11 AM

Hire an engineer. It's your only hope!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Welding Cost Difference

03/09/2010 1:25 AM

My dear friend:

1) Any costing consist of Material Cost + Labour Cost + Overheads

2)The Volume of deposited weld will give you the consumption of Electrode of whatever size that you use. For case 1 & 2 it will vary.

3) Charges of the Welder plus his Assistant plus the Edge Preparation Fabricator's salary/wages need to be impressed basing on Manhours basis. Here again the Type of Welding employed, the Metal specification welded etc will vary the salary of the Welder. Also a 6G welder will be an expensive welder. Also if the job demands Third Party Inspection like Lloyds or IRS qualified welder the rate becomes more. In your Case I it is round a pipe looks like you are welding and hence it will require a 5G or 6G Welder to do the same correctly, as against a Plate Welding of your Case 2 where a 2G or 3G Welder is sufficient in my humble opinion Current charges also need to be considered .

4) Overhead Componentr is your Fixed Expenses of the factory like the Salaries, General Power , Taxes for the factory paid or its rentals, welfare expenses, the consumeables like Grinding wheels, Gas if applicable as in TIG and MIG Welding, Safety Devises used Cost Etc

5) Due to the fact of (3) highlighted the cost of Welding for your Case 1 & 2 will bound to differ

Hope this is useful to you

M.Premil Kumar, Vizag

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Re: Welding Cost Difference

03/09/2010 2:07 AM

First I do not understand how or why you want to weld with the same material in your rod as the base material.

Secondly what is your parameters. Your dimensions of weld are very small for the base material you are welding and you could get better strength with less distortion and a faster speed if you were to use a larger fillet but only weld short intermittant welds.

A welding joint is designed to have a specific strength in a designated direction and parameter. What might have much more strength than is needed in one direction may fail very easily if stressed in another. An example of that is a temporary tacks that are only on one side of the material but can easily be broken off after the use is done.

You need to know what the stresses or desired strength is, followed by the possible environmental consicerations such as acid or salt water or even high vibration as these all can require a different welding electrode to be used. You also need to know the environment that the welds will be welded in. You can not weld TIG in a high wind, nor can you weld any material where the temperature of the base material is too cold.

Your best bet at this point is to contact a qualified engineer or at least a very experienced welder. They will be able to help you to determine what you need to know and what process you need to use for your application.

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Re: Welding Cost Difference

03/09/2010 11:06 AM

A true engineer, eh Rich.

WAY over processing the question.

Cost, cost cost.

NOT

Application, application, application.

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03/10/2010 12:55 PM

My first welding certs were in 1979. Did not get my degree until 2002. You have to know the application before you know the proceedure. Both determine the cost. If you do not believe that I will send you after some arc starter for concrete rod, or a pipe stretcher.

Application determines Proceedure.

Proceedure determines Cost

If you do not know what your parameters are you could be welding on aluminum with stainless rod. Will not work.

Even among the basic rods for steel there are many different formulas. That is why we have so many different rods all the way from 6010 to 11018 and many specialized in between.

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Re: Welding Cost Difference

03/09/2010 7:41 AM

Usually, there is a basic hourly rate for any work that requires technical or professional labor, such as welding. That hourly rate includes all costs for the work: labor, materials, overhead, and profit. If you are just starting out in a business, you may find that you will not make as much as you think you need to cover your costs because it is just one job upon which you are making a living. If you can keep busy doing this for the whole day, and so forth, you must first see what your competition is charging by having them quote a job,or just asking them. I think you'll find that they will help you figuring a good cost. Depending on the laws of your country, after you figure out what your basic costs are, you can then add your profit margin - which can range anywhere from 10% to 1000% if you are an international conglomerate.

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Re: Welding Cost Difference

02/25/2011 11:38 AM

To add and query also, GTAW is one of the most cleanest, high quality welds, has the most precise control, is free of splatter, has low distortion, and welds more metals than any other process use as root weld. But, FCAW is commonly used as it is the cheapest compared to GTAW to do a root weld although its produce sputter the most. Why it is so?.

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