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Stainless Steel Bolts and Mild Steel Plates

03/09/2010 3:37 PM

Hello Guys,

I am interested in knowing if there is any problems using normal steel bolts (Gr.8) on Stainless Steel Plate (316).

I have to bolt two stainless steel (316) together but all I have is standard hex head steel bolts and was curious if there will be any problems in the future.

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Re: Stainless steel bolts on Mild Steel Plate

03/09/2010 3:43 PM

Yes. No. Maybe. Probably. Depends.

What are you doing? If you are bolting together a trailer for your sand rail, maybe not. If you are constructing a bridge over a canyon yes.

Details. Environment. Controlling specs.

The more detail you give, the more intelligent the response. Two paragraphs will do.

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Re: Stainless Steel Bolts and Mild Steel Plates

03/09/2010 4:01 PM

I have a cylinder which is trunnion mounted, the cylinder is made of steel but the trunnion is made of stainless steel. The trunnion has two parts (upper and lower) which is used to clamp a bushing allowing the cylinder to pivot. It is used to move a small platform out of the way. The bolts will be used to bolt the upper trunnion block to the lower trunnion block.

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03/09/2010 4:21 PM

Thanks! Unless it's damp and salty there won't be much problem.

If you look at a chart From Engineers Edge in this case:

Corrosion / Galvanic Compatibility Table of Contents
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Quality engineering and design requires an understanding of material compatibility. Galvanic corrosion (some times called dissimilar metal corrosion) is the process by which the materials in contact with each other oxidizes or corrodes. There are three conditions that must exist for galvanic corrosion to occur. First there must be two electrochemically dissimilar metals present. Second, there must be an electrically conductive path between the two metals. And third, there must be a conductive path for the metal ions to move from the more anodic metal to the more cathodic metal. If any one of these three conditions does not exist, galvanic corrosion will not occur. Often when design requires that dissimilar metals come in contact, the galvanic compatibility is managed by finishes and plating. The finishing and plating selected facilitate the dissimilar materials being in contact and protect the base materials from corrosion.

For harsh environments, such as outdoors, high humidity, and salt environments fall into this category. Typically there should be not more than 0.15 V difference in the "Anodic Index". For example; gold – silver would have a difference of 0.15V being acceptable.

For normal environments, such as storage in warehouses or non-temperature and humidity controlled environments. Typically there should not be more than 0.25 V difference in the "Anodic Index".

For controlled environments, such that are temperature and humidity controlled, 0.50 V can be tolerated. Caution should be maintained when deciding for this application as humidity and temperature do vary from regions

METALLURGICAL CATEGORY

ANODIC INDEX (V)

Gold, solid and plated, Gold-platinum alloy 0.00
Rhodium plated on silver-plated copper 0.05
Silver, solid or plated; monel metal. High nickel-copper alloys 0.15
Nickel, solid or plated, titanium an s alloys, Monel 0.30
Copper, solid or plated; low brasses or bronzes; silver solder; German silvery high copper-nickel alloys; nickel-chromium alloys 0.35
Brass and bronzes 0.40
High brasses and bronzes 0.45
18% chromium type corrosion-resistant steels

0.50

Chromium plated; tin plated; 12% chromium type corrosion-resistant steels

0.60

Tin-plate; tin-lead solder 0.65
Lead, solid or plated; high lead alloys 0.70
Aluminum, wrought alloys of the 2000 Series 0.75
Iron, wrought, gray or malleable, plain carbon and low alloy steels

0.85

Aluminum, wrought alloys other than 2000 Series aluminum, cast alloys of the silicon type 0.90
Aluminum, cast alloys other than silicon type, cadmium, plated and chromate 0.95
Hot-dip-zinc plate; galvanized steel 1.20
Zinc, wrought; zinc-base die-casting alloys; zinc plated 1.25
Magnesium & magnesium-base alloys, cast or wrought 1.75
Beryllium 1.85

You can see that the potential is probably OK for indoor shop use.

Milo, the resident expert may expand on this.

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03/09/2010 10:24 PM

Nice job lynlynch! I would only ask what is depending on these trunnions etc? Hot metal that if spilled could kill all in the resulting steam explosion...? Or just a routine kind of application where no imminent harm likely? Long term or short term use? I'd not mix grade 8 and stainless if it was me, but your assessment of the risk factors are right on as long as no humidity and indoors. milo

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Re: Stainless Steel Bolts and Mild Steel Plates

03/09/2010 10:35 PM

Thanks for the input.

Sorry I missed you last weekend, work got in the way.

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Re: Stainless Steel Bolts and Mild Steel Plates

03/10/2010 2:55 AM

I'll not rely too much on the anodic index to assess the likelihood to have galvanic corrosion. there are other factors like the area ratio, that in your case is unfavorable since you have a small anode (bolt) with a big cathode (stainless steel).

In my opinion, the table in the MIL-STD 889, see link below, is more useful:

http://www.everyspec.com/MIL-STD/MIL-STD+(0800+-+0899)/MIL-STD-889B_NOTICE-3_11336/

If you use a galvanized bolt then the likelihood of galvanic corrosion will be much lower.

https://www.bssa.org.uk/topics.php?article=89

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03/10/2010 6:09 AM

if u r using ss 316 steel plate there is reason for ss plates that should be protection from surrounding environment ........in which ms plate could nt with stand for long life due to corrosion...........so if u put ms bolt that could be corroded nd would nt be easy to dismentle and may be get corroded and become fail.

so u can use it for temperary purpose when u dont hv ss bolts .......after some time u have to replace it with ss bolts that would be safe

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Re: Stainless Steel Bolts and Mild Steel Plates

03/10/2010 9:34 AM

Thank you all for the response,

I have read the information provided by lynlynch from website "http://www.corrosionist.com/Galvanic_Corrosion.htm" and it says "don't mix metals and to be particularly aware of zinc plated or galvanised fasters in stainless steel sheets – a common substitution because of perceived cost savings or better availability. These less noble fasteners are likely to be rapidly attacked."

That is exactly the situation, I am trying to replace the stainless steel bolts with standard steel bolts because of the perceived cost savings and better availability, but now I think I will use stainless steel bolts, keeping all the material the same so they corrode at approximately the same time.

Thanks for the input,

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Re: Stainless Steel Bolts and Mild Steel Plates

03/10/2010 9:39 AM

Congratulations on making a sound, logical, correct decision. One less thing to worry about.

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Re: Stainless Steel Bolts and Mild Steel Plates

06/16/2017 3:41 AM

Thanks Guys..!! very Nice Information shared by all users...

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