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Shutdown Valves

03/30/2010 9:29 AM

How we choose if the shut down valves is equipped with manual reset and / or partial stroke & how to decide if it Full-bore Valves and Reduced-bore?

Finally if reduced bore how can specify the size of the valve if the size of the pipe is known

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Re: Shutdown Valves

03/30/2010 6:15 PM

If you want help here you will need to give us more information.

  • What country is this plant located in?
  • What kind of plant are these shut down valves in?
  • What services (commodity) is in this line?
  • What size are these valves?
  • What kind of valves are these (Gate, Ball, Butterfly, Plug, etc.)?
  • How often are these valves operated?
  • Are these valves normal manual shut-down valves? or
  • Are these valves identified on the P&IDs as "ESD" valves and fitted with some form of (electric or pneumatic) operators?
  • Why do you care if they are if they are full port or reduced port?
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Re: Shutdown Valves

03/30/2010 11:03 PM

Cause the information you provide is not sufficient, let me give you an example for reference.

In chemical process plant, the on-off valve type is specified by 'piping specification', which means you must follow the valve specification required by the engineering document 'piping specification, say, full or reduced bore, floating or trunnion ball, body material, packing material, fire-safe, etc.

Otherwise, if you are the person to make 'piping specification', that will be another question. General speaking, reduced bore is cheaper than full bore since less material used, but can not be used in piping-pig application.

For partial stroke, it is helpful for the valve for SIS system to keep the reliability of the system.

The I.D. of the reduced bore is specified in API/ASME/MSS standard.

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Re: Shutdown Valves

03/31/2010 8:36 AM

After the valve has tripped, let us say closed, and the condition which caused it to trip is back to normal,do you want the valve to open automatically or do you think an operator has to go near the valve and monitor everything before the valve is allowed to open?

If you do not want the valve to open automatically then then you add manual reset so the operator goes to the valve and operates the manual reset to allow the valve to open.

You add a partial stroke testing to make sure the valve is not "jammed" and will open when it is required.This is required to meet the SIL requirements.

Reduced bore (also called standard bore valve) is less expensive than full bore valve.

As an example an 8" reduced bore valve is roughly equal to a 6" full bore valve.

You can use a reduced bore valve if you can tolerate the slightly higher pressure drop thru it and you do not need to Pig the valve.

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Re: Shutdown Valves

04/01/2010 4:47 AM

thank you all I appreciate your contributions

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Re: Shutdown Valves

04/01/2010 7:41 AM

I think Srini has covered all the issues on manual reset.

For the rest my 2p worth

Unless you are pigging the line I would always use a normal (ie reduced bore) ball valve. The cost size etc of the full bore valve is not justified in shutdown valves unless you need to pig. The extra pressure drop is minimal unless you are dealing with a very short very low pressure drop system.

With partial stroke you need to consider the consequences of partially stroking the valve. For those that close its usually ok, but for a blow down valve that opens in emergency you cannot partially stroke these valves as you will vent the system.

As was mentioned above the size of the reduced bore is a standard based on piping standards and typically is one size down from the valve size.

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