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Ignition Timing Advice

03/31/2010 4:58 AM

I have a KKSB solenoid switch in my truck used for advancing the ignition timing of engine during cold start.

This switch goes OFF once the desired engine temperature is achieved.

Will the fuel economy of the vehicle increase or decrease if KKSB switch is kept continuously ON deliberately ?

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03/31/2010 2:47 PM

You probably will notice less power and push for more fuel, which results in higher consumption. If you look at it different: your mixture remains the same, but ignition timing will not give full performance, the truck slows down. You end with the same result more fuel when compensating this loss. Beware also that incorrect timing can lead to excessive temperatures on the valves

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03/31/2010 10:47 PM

I assume your truck is gasoline powered?

if you keep it advanced for too long you may run the risk of burning out the spark plugs and pistons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignition_timing

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03/31/2010 10:53 PM

Such switches usually retard the ignition - I.e. move the spark point toward TDC, which means running with it on will send large volumes of combustion heat and energy down the exhaust. Less power and burned exhaust valves result.

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03/31/2010 11:07 PM

I would say pinking is likely caused by the early ignition. This may not be audible and is the detonation of the last vestiges of the combustion gas. Please note that proper combustion of fuel in an engine is a controlled affair and not an explosion as many people seem to think. When you do have an explosion (pinking/detonation) the pressure rise in the engine is very rapid, this is noisy and can damage bearings, as well as being quite turbulent which can result in rapid heat transfer to the head and more importantly the piston. It is one way to burn a hole in a piston so be careful.

If the engine timing is properly set, you would have no gain in power or efficiency by advancing the timing permanently. There is a reason for the temperature switch.

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04/02/2010 2:00 PM

Pinging or as it used to be known, knocking, is caused when the air/fuel mixture ignites from some other source than the ignition spark. It is more accurately pre-ignition.

It used to be very common if you did a lot of slow and short cold engine driving you would take the car out on the highway and "blow the carbon out". These were actually carbon deposits on the pistons and head. They would get hot and act just like a diesel glow plug.

You also could get it by running low octane fuel in a high compression engine and if left to go very long could destroy an engine in a matter of minutes.

A side note, all so called explosions are really only very rapid burning. When you look into the specs on explosive they will list flame travel.

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04/01/2010 12:25 AM

My technology in this area is a little old - think 1985, and I could be wrong however, back then as I recall, the ignition timing was retarded during warm-up along with a richer mixture and consequently a slower flame burn.

The above aside, some phenomena that will be constant. Maximum fuel economy is likely to be near the most advanced igition setting that is sensible - and that means short of causing engine "ping" or pre-ignition. This is dangerous if sustained and or happens in other than a minor way because it will burn valves and pistons.

Ignoring all the above, it will be case that the manufacturers setting will be optimum for fuel economy and drive-ability - unless you've changed something else.

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04/01/2010 1:00 AM

Guest "Kyzine" and member "TrevorM" are VERY likely correct, that such a solenoid will RETARD, not advance, timing for easier starting. Further, heed the consensus: do NOT leave it that way permanently. Retarded ignition means low power and poor efficiency, while too much advance will lead to pinging (pinking for UK) and likely damage. Efficiency will drop even before damaging detonation occurs, so you can lose both ways from ideal timing. Let the normal distributor advance/retard system do its job.

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04/01/2010 10:26 AM

perhaps the following will help:

http://tiny.cc/nqw38

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02/26/2011 8:19 AM

Yes, absolutely its a cold starting device and it will decrease fuel economy when kept ON continuously.

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