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Noise Testing

04/01/2010 11:32 AM

Hello friends,

i have a need to test small electromagnetic contactors for the hum level (these are AC magnets). Noise should be less than 35 dBA.

The problem is the fabrication of a test chamber. Approximately a cubic foot volume inside. i made it quite anechoic with egg-crate type foam, but the chamber itself is susceptible to external noise and vibration.

i would be grateful for anyone from the switchgear industry who can help me, thanks in advance.

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04/01/2010 2:21 PM

Hi, Your box is a resonator for lower frequencies. Unfortunate your solenoids are close in the slightly higher range. You can make your box more performant: put the same foam on the outside and cut 6 pieces of sheet lead and surround your construction with it. Do not let them touch each other - connect e.g. with gaffa tape. Put this box on a ridgid surface that resonates @ a different frequency and put the box on soft rubbers. You can do the egg. foam again but that will not be necessary anymore. Now the measurement: Your box is somewhat small, because most of the standard measurements are done @1 meter what will give you a problem in a box of (30,48 cm) cube. I honestly dont know if your dbA meter fits in it as well. If your dbA meter is a high quality make, it will probably also pick up the magnetic field variations through its measuring microphone, unless it is a piezzo type. Make sure to suspend the meter on e.g. some elastic rubber bands to the sides. And also the solenoids. Then at last: you should maybe also do a spectrum analysis, because those solenoids might generated harmonics - with the MECHANICAL components vibrations. In this case- you know at what frequencies your noise is audible. In professional dead rooms - also the floor is suspended on a wire mesh. And distances are a lot more. Also is it better to make not a cube box, but one that is completely irregular, made out of irregular 4 point planes that have no parallel walls. This way reflections are not amplified. Normally they do these measurements about in the middle of the room, with enough distance to the walls in all directions. If you need to use these measurement results, the way you do it is not according regular norms.

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04/01/2010 10:44 PM

GA.

Thanks, will try.

This test is not as per any standards, it is a company internal check for weeding out poor performers. For the guys who need absolute silence, the magnet is DC operated, so a little more expensive.

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04/01/2010 2:32 PM

Welcome to acoustics 101.

This is so complicated that I won't start without some understanding of the specification involved.

Unless the test conditions and measuring instrument are CLEARLY defined, the tests will be useless.

If it's a casual hum test, build another box around the first one. Or move it to a vibration free location. Be sure to isolate the microphone/sound intensity probe from the vibrations.

Please feel free to ignore this since I am not, "anyone from the switchgear industry"

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04/01/2010 11:15 PM

Oh no, not to be ignired for sure. Any input from anyone is welcome. Acoustic experts will have lots of experience, but this piddly little test on contactors will hardly challenge them...so i thought if someone who actually built something to test a contactor happens to see this thread, my job is done

Rather selfish and lazy ..

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04/02/2010 4:24 PM

It is just the way you look at it. I have build a dead room too, but I used a lot of space. Used it for acoustic tests and dead sound recordings, being able to mix whatever effect. The base sounds are the most difficult to work away. We had a specific "bass trap" corner, that took 24 cubic meter alone and 2500 kg of ballasting heavy material traps. To deafen this kind of sound and vibrations you need a lot of distance. (Lambda, or /2 or /4) But I can assure you in that room you get scared of your own voice in the beginning. The wall were made of bast strips from trees, mixed with cement an a little bit of sand, 2 times 5 cm thick. This porous material eliminated a lot reflections already. Inside were deflecting and adsorbing panels. But if you go for a volume of 8 m3 you'l be ok. You can also correlate all the defects of your room to dead, if you perform a spectrum analysis with a pink noise source. A pink noise source is a sound generator that produces the same acoustic energy in all of the audible frequencies. When reading your analyzer, the amplitudes of the peak frequencies can be deducted in the same ratio, as your solenoid produces sound. And what officially is asked: to specify your sonometer And if you write Bruell & Kjaer type xxxx, everyone is happy

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