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Inventors Beware

02/08/2007 12:33 AM

It has come to my attention that some inventors here are not aware of a common type of fraudulent invention "marketing," "development" or "promotion" company. There are many of these around the US, and I assume many elsewhere, too. I worked for one such company in Pittsbugh PA in the 1970s, and helped in blowing the whistle on them, and assumed they had long ago dried up. Unfortunately, they have not. The same company is apparently now bigger than ever, running under new names. And I am sure there are many others now.

The way that companies like this work is based on the fact that inventors are already sold on their own ideas, so if you can appeal to egos and greed you can milk them for large amounts of money while doing very, very little work. When I worked for such a company, it was in very early days of word processing (and easy boilerplating), and I produced evaluation reports first as a free lancer, then as a staffer (where I learned how the business really works). The stages in the process can go by various names, but you'll get the idea, I hope.

Stage 1:

The company sells the inventor an initial contract to research or evaluate the idea. Typically the report simply further sells the inventor on his own idea, and in my day required about 5-8 pages of original writing, and 20 pages of boiler plate, which was quickly selected to more or less fit the idea (trends, statistics, etc.) Adjusting for inflation, I was paid about $100 for the report, and it was sold to the inventor for $1000. Overhead was very low, so that even after the "consultant" (sales guy) commission was paid, the company still made $600 on the deal so far. These "consultants" actually came from used car sales, Florida land sales, etc.: good at sales, clueless re inventions, and slippery as can be.

As I became more involved in the company, I found that every idea was to be evaluated in the same way, with essentially the same market projections all the time: large enough to be interesting (in terms of potential royalties) but no so large as to scare the inventor off or make him think (the truth) that the company was simply selling him on his own idea, to get him to commit to stage 2. (Typically the pitch might start: "John, I've got great news – the team thinks your idea has some real potential…" )

Stage 2:

Representation: In my day, this phase cost $6000 (adjusted dollars). A surprisingly large number of the people who paid for the first report paid for this stage too: I think the "turnover rate" was over 30%. The "consultant" earned a nice commission for the sale (although much of the sales pitch was actually done by the writer of the original report). The "idea" of representation was that the company would present the inventor's idea to industry. What really happened is that the minimum wage "marketing staff" would simply copy a little blurb out of the original report, ad a cover letter and send it off to 6-10 companies they would find in Thomas's Register. Half the time, the ideas would be sent to very unlikely manufacturers, (because the staff was clueless, typically just out of high school) but it didn't really matter… because the intent was not to really market the invention, it was simply to get the inventor's money and move onto the next inventor. At this point the process is usually done. The inventor might be sent an occasional letter to let him know the company was working on his idea, etc. But what on earth would be the point in the company actually doing any work whatsoever? Much better business to go on the next "inventor".

But, you might ask, didn't they actually get anything to market? Yes, exactly the minimum to keep people thinking they were legit. Where I worked, they tended to be plastic things that could easily be injection or blow molded, because plastics manufacturers, especially one working with toys (which can come and go quickly) often have excess capacity. Better to invest in the small cost of a mold, and have the machines produce something, than to sit idle. We didn't have a single product that was successful in any realistic way – and I think when I was there they'd been in business at least 5 years.

Sadly, the biggest fear investors had was that the company would "steal" their idea and get all the royalties. The company didn't even have such an idea in the backs of their tricky little minds. Why? They'd already made $7,000 for writing a report and sending out a couple letters. Getting a few things on the market was a nuisance, not an opportunity to make more money.

Don't use companies like these, some of which are very slick. Check out this one, sued by the Federal Trade Commission in 1997. They must have this disclaimer on the website, showing there lack of success. But thousands still use them. Cruise their site, and you'll see why. But realize that out of the 261,697 ideas submitted to Davison in the last 5 years just 8 (in 5 years!) made more money than the fees paid to Davison.

This link goes to a site that looks a little whacky – but I can assure you that it's accurate. Martin Berger was the guy who owned the company I worked for.

See part two: What's an inventor to do? in comment #1 below.

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02/08/2007 8:51 AM

This is the continuation of: Inventors Beware.

There may be some honest invention promotion companies out there – I not aware of any, however.

My advice is if you have a good idea, first do a really through patent search yourself. You can now do that even in google! (and the official USPTO site permits free searches as well. Try to think of all the possible words to describe your invention. Not too long ago I had a patent denied, because I couldn't find a piece of prior art in which the technology was named in a very obscure way.

If you are low on cash, read three or four books on writing the patent application yourself. (In fact, do this anyway – it's very helpful for learning the language of patents.) Make your patent as broad as you possibly can. Don't delay. Consider a provisional application – but consider the risks, which are highlighted in some of the books just mentioned. A provisional application, if correctly filed, gives you protection to begin talking about your invention, and if you can't talk about it you can't sell it. If the provisional is incorrectly filed – in other words if you do not include in it a key part of the technology, then you can, maybe, screw up your chances with the real patent. Again, read about the hazards.

If you think your idea is really good, and you've done a good search, then write the application as well as you can and take it to a patent attorney. (If you don't want to simply file it yourself.) (You can also go to a patent attorney after your application has been rejected for a rework – and at that point the attorney will know just what he is getting into, probably.) They may be willing to clean up your work and file for you for a percentage ownership – which can be a great thing – or not… judge for yourself. But it is possible, and makes your patent cost zero.

Building a prototype yourself is usually essential, but if you don't have the money to do so, get at least a provisional in place before talking to anyone about funding. I'd be reluctant to sub out building your prototype until you have a provisional or are really, really certain that you non-disclosure will work.

If you've got a great idea, don't be greedy. If it flies you'll make money. If you don't have any help, you might not get it off the ground at all. Better to share.

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02/08/2007 9:30 AM

Great information I hope the new generator dude reads it

I believe it has not been mentioned to send a copy of your patent to your attorney and yourself in a sealed postmarked envelope to remain sealed for early protection.

Just wanted to send a quick aknowledgement for your efforts to help people avoid those pitfalls .Thanks

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02/08/2007 2:27 PM

Oops, I emailed mine during the revision stage.

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02/26/2007 1:20 PM

Mailing to yourself is not an effective way to protect your idea. Documenting your invention day by day in a bound notebook as it progresses and having it notorized is better.

For those of you who want more detailed help on inventing I suggest that you start at www.InventorEd.org/novice/.

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02/08/2007 10:18 PM

Guest, this is the best damn piece of advice to would-be (and seasoned) inventors I've ever seen published on any forum, bar none. A piece like this is at the core of what CR4 is all about.

You know, I think if I were permitted to read only one thread and post only one reply, this would be it.

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02/08/2007 11:43 PM

Thank you europium. Those are extremely kind words. I didn't realize until recently that so many of these places are still in business, and when I found out that Martin Berger is up to his old tricks, I about fell off my chair. I'd assumed he'd long since dried up and blown away. His last fine that I am aware of (now) was in 1994: $1.2 million. A pittance.

I came across one of these places recently, and said holy $*&)(#) -- the same deal, exactly! These things are extremely hard to prosecute in a way that sticks: because they say things in their literature about how hard it is to get a product manufactured, and yada yada, but the sales people are really slick: "Hey we told him it's not certain". "Gosh golly, we sure wish we could get these things on the market too. I guess you can call us incompetent, but you can't call us a fraud." Berger darn near had the writing team in tears, telling us how you really had to give these inventors a good write up, because there will be plenty of nay sayers, and we want to do our best at selling the idea to industry. (What he really wanted us to do was our best at selling the inventor his own idea, of course.) Actually, he couldn't care less about selling the idea to industry -- why work on a long shot, when the next inventor is a sure thing.

You can read the FTC ordered disclaimer on the Davison site -- right there in black and white -- and wonder why anyone would fall for the scam. But 37,000 people have, in just the last five years. Can you imagine how much work it would be to actually try to sell 37,000 "inventions" Put all the employees at GM to work doing nothing but pounding the pavement, and you'd still have a hard time. But selling 37,000 inventors on their own ideas... ever so easy... and mighty, mighty profitable. If they could just figure out a way to get those 8 ideas on the market without any effort whatsoever... seems a crying shame they got to spend a few hours, doesn't it.

Here's a part of the FTC site, where I searched for "inventor scam". The results are a mish mash, but if you page through, you'll find all sorts of settlements.

Sadly, there were a few "pretty good" ideas that came through (1 out of 100, maybe). But they got thrown down the tubes with all the rest.

Again, thanks for the kind words: posting here anonymously is a little tricky, so I'm glad the extra time to do so was worth it.

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02/09/2007 12:56 AM

Guest writes: "Again, thanks for the kind words..."

You're more than welcome, Guest. An excellent piece whose time has come!

Guest continues: "...posting here anonymously is a little tricky, so I'm glad the extra time to do so was worth it."

Few visitors post so candidly their first few times here. Your posting anonymously was very prudent, of course, for obvious reasons.

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02/09/2007 1:05 AM

Recognize these lyrics?

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You gotta be crazy, you gotta have a real need.
You gotta sleep on your toes, and when you're on the street,
You got to be able to pick out the easy meat with your eyes closed.
And then moving in silently, down wind and out of sight,
You gotta strike when the moment is right without thinking.

And after a while, you can work on points for style.
Like the club tie, and the firm handshake,
A certain look in the eye and an easy smile.
You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to,
So that when they turn their backs on you,
You'll get the chance to put the knife in.

You gotta keep one eye looking over your shoulder.
You know it's going to get harder, and harder, and harder
as you get older.
And in the end you'll pack up and fly down south,
Hide your head in the sand,
Just another sad old man,
All alone and dying of cancer.

And when you loose control, you'll reap the harvest you have sown.
And as the fear grows, the bad blood slows and turns to stone.
And it's too late to lose the weight you used to need to throw around.
So have a good drown, as you go down, all alone,
Dragged down by the stone.

I gotta admit that I'm a little bit confused.
Sometimes it seems to me as if I'm just being used.
Gotta stay awake, gotta try and shake off this creeping malaise.
If I don't stand my own ground, how can I find my way out of this maze?

Deaf, dumb, and blind, you just keep on pretending
That everyone's expendable and no-one has a real friend.
And it seems to you the thing to do would be to isolate the winner
And everything's done under the sun,
And you believe at heart, everyone's a killer.

Who was born in a house full of pain.
Who was trained not to spit in the fan.
Who was told what to do by the man.
Who was broken by trained personnel.
Who was fitted with collar and chain.
Who was given a pat on the back.
Who was breaking away from the pack.
Who was only a stranger at home.
Who was ground down in the end.
Who was found dead on the phone.

Who was dragged down by the stone.

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Looks like your man.

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PS: Pink Floyd - Animals (Dogs). Lyrics credits: Waters, Gilmore

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02/17/2007 5:31 PM
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My advice is if you have a good idea, first do a really through patent search yourself. You can now do that even in google! (and the official USPTO site permits free searches as well. Try to think of all the possible words to describe your invention. Not too long ago I had a patent denied, because I couldn't find a piece of prior art in which the technology was named in a very obscure way.

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Exactly. This is also why if you are going to do your own patent search, you should take your time to familiarize yourslef with the US patent classification system (see [url]http://www.uspto.gov/go/classification/uspcindex/indextouspc.htm[url]). It is not smart to rely solely on keyword searching.

(that being said, nowadays boolean search engines make it easier to conduct better patent searches than ever before, and it is no longer ideal to rely solely on classification searches either. Many search firms still solely rely on classification based searching)

Additionally, its worth noting, the Google search portal currently is imperfect, and will not let you search for certain recently issued patents or published patent apps. Additionally, foreign patents as well as "non patent prior art" can also affect patentability.

Some other useful (and free) patent search links -

[url]www.freepatentsonline.com[url] - this site generally provides the same functionality as the USPTO, but allows for more advanced search features in some instances, and allows you to search a selection of recent European publications as well.

Espacenet - [url]http://ep.espacenet.com/advancedSearch?locale=en_EP[url]; - probably the best free resource for searching international patent publications (this site also allows you to search US patents while also searching foreign patents). If using Espacenet (or even if not) you may wish to familiarize yourself with the ECLA classification system, found here: [url]http://v3.espacenet.com/eclasrch?CY=ep&LG=en[url]

Additionally, if you type go to [url]www.patentscourge.com[url], you will end up at a Google custom search engine that will allow you to use Google to search just about all post-1970 US patents, published patent applications, a lesser database of both foreign and WIPO patent publications, as well as non patent prior art from a few select, free, resources. You can also do some classification searching, US included, using this custom search engine, but to take advantage of that you may need to know how to use advanced search operators to manipulate Google.

Just figured I'd chime in here and help out, found this thread via a Google alert. Doing it yourself may or may not be ideal depending on your circumstance, but if you are going to do it yourself you should do it right (right enough, at least)

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02/08/2007 11:30 PM

WARNING, Davison is a scam, Unfortunately I'm one of those who got hooked for $5,000 now I have to hire legal people to get my funds back, Davison broke their contract with me by NOT following through with their promises in the contract. George Davison will have his days in court and before long will be broke and in prison for his crime and i will have my money back plus interest.

federal government needs to close him down once and for all, and ban any future business name changes. the laws need to be changed protecting American's from vultures like Davison and all the rest. crooks are crooks preying on those who desire to acquire a real future by being creative. i on the other hand have started my own business with blood sweat and lots of leg work THE REAL AMERICAN WAY acquiring a new product and launching out in (9) mid-western stores. I will make my dream happen my way, without being duped by a CONMAN.

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02/09/2007 7:43 AM

Why patent your idea? Review Eli Whitney's travails. If it is a worthy idea, seek funding and produce it. First in usually wins. Patents just educate would be competition.

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02/09/2007 8:31 AM

I agree most things will be copied or changed slightly and it would be impractical to defend your ideas .As was the case with a buddy ,with an insulation cutter , who was taken in by the sharks and could have gone directly to production.I.even made him a nice clay model ,prototype to take to a plastic manufacturer .But he was so afraid of being ripped off he never made it to production .
Unless you have come up with a super idea for most things it's probably best to just go ahead .That said ,I have yet to take my own advise and currently sit on some great ideas not that I'm throwing money away but simply sitting on them rather than being exposed .When I get pissed at myself enough I'll jump in , but wouldn't it be nice to have a safe haven to go to ? As was proposed in Philanthropic Invention Corporation idea. What do you think?

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02/09/2007 10:14 AM

If you're considering a US patent GO TO A PATENT ATTORNEY WHO SPECIALIZES IN YOUR AREA OF INVENTION - BEFORE!! - you file any papers yourself. The US Patent Examiner will hold you to what you say in the first draft. So make the first draft very good. Use a patent attorney who has a dual degree and specializes in the area of your invention, e.g., electronics, chemistry, mechanics, etc. Expect to pay at least $3000 attorney's fee for a single patent.

Alternately you can register proprietary information, or as Eli Whitney advised go directly to market. Rule of thumb: If you're six months late to market you have lost half your profit. If you're a year late to market you have lost all you profit.

Only one or two of every 100 patents is commercialized. Fewer make money.

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02/09/2007 11:05 AM

good specific advise ,thanks for taking the time

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02/09/2007 10:38 AM

If you don't have money to protect your patent in court, there is no point in having a patent. I speak from experience. Ask a patent atty how much he wants up front to start a litigation. $50,000? To finish a litigation? 10 times as much.

There was a big company to remain nameless that said if you are going to sue us for patent infringement you better have a million bucks.

I also remember that once a company has gone public with an idea before you get your patent, they will prevail even though your patent may be the first one out of the patent office. This means that a search of the patent office is not necessarily enough to protect your idea and may actually be money thrown away.

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02/09/2007 2:19 PM

Thank you very much Mr.Guest for highly educative information and constructive advise. A couple of days ago I asked, "How can I sell my IPR?" I am yet clueless.

My fifth prototype has now successfully undergone actual production trials. I have yet to build a complete industrial installation to make the target industry look up and take notice. They are a very tough lot. The part of world where I am located,"angels" don't exist. The "venture-funds" are really "vu...-funds". All are running after IT. My poor effort is in the manufacturing.

My patent applications are already lodged and I am awaiting local grant of patent. Fortunately, WIPO has cleared my application for national phase entry and issued affrimative Patentability Report.

If I have to go forward I must raise money from the market. My own source has now dried up. The best option I can think is to auction my international right through internet, putting my own website.

But now I am scared of patent infringement. I must give enough details of the product on my website for IPR auction. This may attract unwanted problems. Though I am offering very low price, I am afraid the bidders will be also scared of infringemnt when enough details are made available and they have to apply separately for patent in the country of their choice, and may feel worthless to spend for getting a patent.

I think I must put restricted technical details on the web, and be assured that the low offer price will attarct the bidder. I also believe that the infringement comes not at the initial stage but when the product becomes a roaring success.

On a little clear thinking, let me tell you that the invention is a vaccum filtration equipment and I expect bids from people who know somthing about vaccum filtration. A throw away price will attract a manufacturer of repute to get a patent and subsequent support as I am going to use the money for commercial launch locally and promise to pass on all technical details to the bidder till the local industry accepts the equipment for regular use.

The complete industrial installation is estimated to cost US$ 57,000. And I need atleast US$ 100,000 to launch the equipment successfully. There are 136 countries under PCT. Though there may not be enough takers for all these countries.

How low a price I must consider as a good bait? Hope you will certainly respond.

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02/09/2007 2:35 PM

Go man go !!!

If I had a clue about your industry I would be interested as an investor .I hope someone see's what you have and is able to help you and help themselves at the same time. Best of Luck I give you credit for an innovative approuch that just might work .I'm sure there are people in cr4 who understand your industry and will be good enough to forward your information along .

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02/09/2007 10:47 PM

"Traditional", I am highly indebted to you for encouraging me. Your few words mean a lot to me. Today appears to be a day full of brightness pointing straight to the direction I must take. It is yet early morning in my part of the world. Your post has done what the shadow of a tall rock cast by rising sun does pointing to the passage to the gold valley in the classic film "Meckenna's Gold"

Thank you, thank you, and thank you.

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02/10/2007 7:33 AM

I'm happy to offer encouragement I have had some difficult days myself and no one to help me through.It's a wonderful assett, that the internet allows access to you a wide audiance to get out you idea .I'm starting a new thread "New inventors Corporation Part 2 " on cr4 I hope you will check it out .You are exactly the guy that I envision being helped by establishing a utopian place to go for help in developing your idea .
Be patient ,be smart ,be persistant and you will succeed .

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02/10/2007 10:03 AM

I to am an inventor, I am a retired engineer and have received a patent for my invention after 3 years. I have been swamped by companies wanting to help me market. One very persistent IP&R San Francisco, CA.

Others:America Invents, Kessler Corporation, Millenium Marketing Group, Ltd., Inventor Express Services, Inc., Practical Enterprises, Inc., SOLA of South Texas, IP&R Inventors, Absolutely NEW, Science & Technology, LLC (all have the same address as IP&R) Invent-Tech, Intellectual Licensing Group,LLC,Manufactured Component Resource, LLC, Patent Pages, NET.

Practical Enterprises, Inc. shows an address in Shanghai as well as NJ. I have a friend in Shanghai and asked him to go to the address, he did and found it closed and gone.

I have found a friend who is being a mentor to me, he has been in the big time in California electronics, he is guiding me in what to do to make the patent saleable and I am putting together a company with a website to sell the product all with my funds so it is a hard go. I find that you cannot sell your idea until you prove that it is highly salable and that takes time and money. A Business Plan done by a professional is $20,000.

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02/10/2007 10:29 AM

wouldn't it be nice to have a safe avenue for marketing your product I believe there are answers but currently it appears most avenues are dangerous .Have a look at cr4 "philanthropic inventors corporation " and see if you have any thoughts on the matter .I started another liink "New inventors corporation" today to attempt to further the goal of developing such an alternative .Wheather there is support for such an idea I'm unclear I'm sure most people will reject it as the next scam ,but I am personally committed to the concept of such a safe haven .

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02/11/2007 3:56 PM

I has been suggested to look at American Society of Inventors I'm passing this on .I hope it pans out I'm looking in to it .If anyone has any reviews of ASI I would be interested .

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02/14/2007 10:44 AM

One other place people forgot about patent is in an education enivornment, i.e., Universities. If your idea is sound, talk to a professor whose field is related to your idea. Many time, if you can get a professor interested in your idea, the unviersity may help you get a patent or at least have your idea published and you will have that credited in your name, that will at lease help in further patent.

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02/26/2007 1:04 PM

We have been tracking questionable invention promoters for years and have the most comprehensive list of both the companies and employees who are involved in sales or management. We played a significant role in helping the FTC bring Davison Research to justice and we are deeply involved in other cases which have not yet been completed.

By the way, I assume that the other company in Pittsburgh, PA is the one described here www.InventorEd.org/caution/isc/ who's rep became so well known that they changed their name. You might especially enjoy how ISC keeps asking to dance with InventorEd and then gets upset when we step on their toes. Three times now they have asked for and received quality time. They definitely are not the brightest bulbs in the pack.

Check out our caution section at www.InventorEd.org/caution/ and our lists of players at www.InventorEd.org/caution/list/.

One last point, we are constantly looking for volunteers to help us educate slime bag invention promoters. Those who are interested can hide behind InventorEd. We welcome anonymous submissions of dirt on the promoters.

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05/30/2007 6:26 PM

Unless you have a lot of money, stay away from Patent Offices, Patent Attorneys, Advisors, etc...!

Did you know that:

1. a patent only protects your rights in the country where you presented it

2. rights are also protected (for one year) in the countries that subscribed the Treaty of Paris in 1890 (most American and -in those days existing- European countries signed it)... but don't forget geography changed a lot after WWI, and WWII !

3. after the first year has elapsed you will have to pay an annual fee to maintain your rights in the country where it was first presented.

4. If you quit paying you just loose your rights, and your patent goes to Public Domain.

5. It is advisable to patent a product in more than one country (usually among those who signed the Treaty) This also implies payment of annual fees in each one or at the EC.

6. should you not do it, your product could be manufactured in any of these countries after the first year has passed.

7. as most of the Asian countries did not sign this Treaty, your product could be manufactured there and exported to any country around the world in which you did not apply for a patent.

These are only a few topics about patents.

Main fact is that the "Inventor" always looses!

Even if your rights are protected by a patent: what if a large corporation starts producing your product? Will you sue them? Are you aware that they have a dozen of lawyers working full time for them? How many do you have? What is your budget for litigation?

My advise is to contact a company that might be in the same field of your invention, and could be interested in producing it.

Second step is to sign a NDA (ask your lawyer to read it), after signing this agreement, you will be able to unveil your invention to your new partner.

Third step is to negotiate your share in this new venture: forget about getting a 50% share of the business, you probably will get a 0.something; or 1 digit in the best case!Your partner will be running with the financial risk... and also wants the largest slice of the cake!

Remember: the one who has the gold makes the rules!

Last but not least: don't be greedy, it is MUCH better to have a 1% of something; than a 100% of NOTHING!!

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05/30/2007 7:13 PM

"Unless you have a lot of money, stay away from Patent Offices, Patent Attorneys, Advisors, etc...!"

This really is not true. Most inventors do fail, but that is generally a result of them not knowing the business. There are hundreds of thousands of successful inventors in America. Most have low profiles and are not well known.

Just read the news, check out how many big companies are whining about excessive litigation. They are getting their tails kicked by inventors, and they are losing on the merits of the inventor's cases.

So while there are many disreputable invention promoters and many disreputable companies such as the members of the Coalition for Patent Piracy, there are also enough inventors who are making the grade that both of the disreputable groups of shysters are feeling the heat.

Some people will whine and say that it is not worth trying while others press ahead and do make the grade. It is up to each of you to decide if you have the gumption to join the ranks of successful inventors.

Ronald J. Riley,

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05/30/2007 9:24 PM

"This really is not true. Most inventors do fail, but that is generally a result of them not knowing the business."

Hi rjriley,

I really do not want to argue with you, but here we say that the way things are seen always depends on what side of the counter you are staying at!

It is true that there are thousands of new inventors in the States, but how many more could there be if they had been properly advised?

Yes, it is also true that most "Inventors" have no idea of this business, but once again: shouldn't they get better advises from patent offices or specialists in this field?

This is not only about inventing some foolish gadget and getting rich: many inventions have saved lives or improved quality of life from many people.

Question is how many more have gone lost?

It is also true that many companies have their tails kicked... but probably many more unknown inventors have lost their rights to these companies.

On the other hand, it is also true that there are a lot of honest organizations, as probably yours is

Advises are usually based in people's experiences, as in my case:

I've gone both ways: got a patent, for which I paid a lot of money...and lost it.

Almost at the same time (about 5 years ago) I went with another idea to a company, signed a NDA, "our" product is now sold worldwide.

Some months later, this company called me to join their staff. Now I am the head of R&D for medical disposables.

Was I the right person on the right spot?

Perhaps someone may see it this way... but what most don't know (or care about) is that I tried hundreds of times, and had luck once!

Best regards, Cosme

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08/12/2010 8:33 AM

Thomas Edison said "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."

This after his success with the Incandescent Light Bulb, which is sold how many places, how many times, for how many years, now?

And how many billions of dollars has it been worth?

Your point, made for you, for free. Stick to your guns!!

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