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HT Motor Starting

04/27/2010 10:06 PM

We have HT induction motor with specifications - 6500kW, 11kV, 348A, 1485rpm, 0.917 full load pf, starting current - 1620A. This motor drives a centrifugal air compressor.

To start this motor, we synchronize our CPP with the grid and disconnect the CPP from the grid after the motor has started. There are 8 DG sets in CPP of which 6 are started and synchronized for motor starting. The DG set specifications are - 11kV, 8145kVA, 428A, 750rpm, Xd - 1.5 pu, Xq - 0.78, X'd - 0.26, X'q - 0.78 on generator MVA base. CPP base load at the time of motor starting is about 6.0MW.

CPP is synchronized with the grid through 110/11kV, 40MVA, 12% pu impedance transformer. The nearest grid substation is located 4.5kM away from the plant.

What are the factors which influence the division of starting MVA of this HT motor among CPP DG sets and the grid.

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Re: HT Motor Starting

04/28/2010 10:57 PM

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Re: HT Motor Starting

04/29/2010 2:48 AM

This is indeed a tricky one and i'm sure should best br answered by High voltage experts or practitioners. However you may find useful info here

http://www.lmpforum.com/inforum/Advantages-Ht-Motors6-t2512.html

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Re: HT Motor Starting

04/29/2010 6:38 AM

I guess impedance of the two sources would determine how starting load is divided between the two....but am not sure. I could be way wrong on this.

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Re: HT Motor Starting

04/29/2010 7:01 AM

Just Confirm each generator is around 1500KW in rating. Presently they are Solid State Starters, Soft Starters which are designed for 15KV, 22000 HP which reduces a lot of your starting hi-cups as stated. Its becomes more complicated to set a system on a continuous basis to be started in the above manner.

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Re: HT Motor Starting

04/29/2010 9:31 AM

There is absolutely no problem in starting this HT motor with the set up as explained in the question. I want to what are the factors that decide the division of the starting MVA of the HT motor between CPP and the grid.

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Re: HT Motor Starting

04/29/2010 1:06 PM

The missing ingredient is the Utility short circuit capacity at the 40MVA transformer primary. The 12%Z seems high for the transformer alone. With a robust utility, it may go without the generators. I am assuming the motor is line started. The centrifugal fan does not have a starting torque problem, but the high inertia of the fan will stretch the acceleration time and stress the motor rotor bars. stretch the time between starts. Try to limit the drop in voltage to 10% of motor voltage. I think the division of load will depend on the speed of the generator regulators, and would change the division during acceleration. Off the top of my head. Tony

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05/02/2010 3:18 PM

This is a general practice.The sharing depends on trfo tap settings grid fault level and governor and avr settings.The trafo may support typically 60% starting mva.

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