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Fundamental GPS question

04/30/2010 10:58 AM

Hi. I am new to GPS and have a basic question, so please bear with me. My purpose is to obtain speed and position data as and when I want it (for this I understand I need to use $PSRF103 to query for GGL/VTG). My question is, apart from this, what are the basics I have to take care of before even trying to get the data? Am I supposed to constantly monitor the number of satellites? The quality of the fix? Other things? If I have two states such as "OK to query data" and "Not OK to query data" (from the GPS), how to I determine that it is OK? Sorry if this is a bit confused and thanks for your answers.

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04/30/2010 11:04 AM

Read the instructions. Or give the brand and model # of your specific unit. Are you trying to download to a PC or take the data manually?

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04/30/2010 11:09 AM

Presently I have a Linx development kit (RXM-GPS-SG) but as far as I understand, the NMEA commands are universal so they should work with any module I should use. I plan to interface the module to a microcontroller over UART.

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04/30/2010 12:36 PM

well thats strange the galileo link doesnt work from your site

so ive cut and pasted it to see if this works

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Galileo is a global navigation satellite system (GNSS) currently being built by the European Union (EU) and European Space Agency (ESA). The €3.4 billion project is an alternative and complementary to the U.S. Global Positioning System (GPS) and the Russian GLONASS. On 30 November 2007 the 27 EU transportation ministers involved reached an agreement that it should be operational by 2013,[1] but later press releases suggest it was delayed to 2014.[2]

When in operation, it will have two ground operations centers, one near Munich, Germany, and another in Fucino, 130 km east of Rome, Italy.[citation needed] Since 18 May 2007, at the recommendation of Transport Commissioner Jacques Barrot, the EU took direct control of the Galileo project from the private sector group of eight companies called European Satellite Navigation Industries, which had abandoned this Galileo project in early 2007.

Galileo is intended to provide more precise measurements than available through GPS or GLONASS (Galileo will be accurate down to the metre range) including the height (altitude) above sea level, and better positioning services at high latitudes. The political aim is to provide an independent positioning system upon which European nations can rely even in times of war or political disagreement, since Russia or the USA could disable use of their national systems by others (through encryption).

Like the US GPS, use of basic (low-accuracy) Galileo services will be free and open to everyone. However, the high-accuracy capabilities will be restricted to military use and paying commercial users.

Named for the Italian astronomer Galileo Galilei, the positioning system is officially referred to as just Galileo. It is also sometimes colloquially described as the Galileo positioning system; however, since this abbreviates to GPS, the shorter astronomer's name is preferred to avoid confusion with Navstar GPS.

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In 1999, the different concepts (from Germany, France, Italy and the United Kingdom) for Galileo were compared and reduced to one by a joint team of engineers from all four countries. The first stage of the Galileo programme was agreed upon officially on 26 May 2003 by the European Union and the European Space Agency. The system is intended primarily for civilian use, unlike the United States system, which the U.S. military runs and uses on a primary basis. The U.S. reserves the right to limit the signal strength or accuracy of the GPS systems, or to shut down public GPS access completely (although it has never done the latter), so that only the U.S. military and its allies would be able to use it in time of conflict. Until 2000, the precision of the signal available to non-U.S.-military users was limited (due to a timing pulse distortion process known as selective availability). The European system will only be subject to shutdown for military purposes in extreme circumstances. It will be available at its full precision to both civil and military users.

The European Commission had some difficulty getting money for the project's next stage, after several allegedly "per annum" sales projection graphs for the project were exposed in November 2001 as "cumulative" projections (which for each year projected, necessarily included all previous years of sales). The attention that was brought to this multi-billion euro exponentially growing error in sales forecasts resulted in a general awareness in the Commission and elsewhere that the program did not have near the return on investment that had been presented to the investors and decision-makers up until that point.[3] Additionally, following the September 11, 2001 attacks, the United States Government wrote to the European Union opposing the project, arguing that it would end the ability of the United States to shut down GPS in times of military operations. On 17 January 2002 a spokesman for the project stated that, as a result of U.S. pressure and economic difficulties, "Galileo is almost dead."[4] A few months later, however, the situation changed dramatically. Partially in reaction to the pressure exerted by the U.S. Government, European Union member states decided it was important to have a satellite-based positioning and timing infrastructure that the US could not easily turn off in times of political conflict. [5]

The European Union and the European Space Agency agreed in March 2002 to fund the project, pending a review in 2003 (which was finalised on 26 May 2003). The starting cost for the period ending in 2005 is estimated at 1.1 billion. The required satellites (the planned number is 30) will be launched throughout the period 2006–2010 and the system will be up and running and under civilian control from 2010. The final cost is estimated at €3 billion, including the infrastructure on Earth, which is to be constructed in the years 2006 and 2007. The plan was for private companies and investors to invest at least two-thirds of the cost of implementation, with the EU and ESA dividing the remaining cost. An encrypted higher-bandwidth Commercial Service with improved accuracy would be available at an extra cost, with the base Open Service freely available to anyone with a Galileo-compatible receiver.

In June 2004, in a signed agreement with the United States, the European Union agreed to switch to a modulation known as BOC(1,1) (Binary Offset Carrier 1.1) allowing the coexistence of both GPS and Galileo, and the future combined use of both systems. The European Union also agreed to address the "mutual concerns related to the protection of allied and U.S. national security capabilities."[6]

Early 2007, the EU had yet to decide how to pay for the system and the project was said to be "in deep crisis" due to lack of more public funds.[7] German Transport Minister Wolfgang Tiefensee, was particularly doubtful about the consortium's ability to end the infighting at a time when only one testbed satellite had been successfully launched.

Although a decision was yet to be reached, EU countries on Friday the 13th of July 2007[8] discussed cutting €548m ($755m, £370m) from the union's competitiveness budget for next year and shift some of that cash to other parts of the financing pot, a move that could meet part of the cost of the union's Galileo satellite navigation system. European Union research and development projects could be scrapped to overcome a funding shortfall.

In November 2007, it was agreed to reallocate funds from the EU's agriculture and administration budgets[9] and to soften the tendering process in order to invite more EU companies.[10]

In April 2008, the EU transport ministers approved the Galileo Implementation Regulation. This allowed the €3.4bn to be released from the EU's agriculture and administration budgets.[11] This will allow the issuing of contracts to start construction of the ground station and the satellites.

In June 2009 European Court of Auditors published a report, pointing out governance issues, substantial delays and budget overruns that led to project stalling in 2007, leading to further delays and failures[12].

In October 2009 European Commission cut number of satellites to from 28 to 22 with plans to order remaining 6 at later time. It also announced that first PRS and SoL signal will be available in 2013 and remaining sometime later. Current budget for 2006-2013 period planned for €3.4 billion euros was also considered as insufficient[13].

In November 2009, a ground station for Galileo was inaugurated near Kourou (French Guiana)[14].

The first two satellites launch is planned for the end of April 2011.

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04/30/2010 12:41 PM

The political aim is to provide an independent positioning system upon which European nations can rely even in times of war or political disagreement,

since Russia or the USA could disable use of their national systems by others (through encryption).

We are so childish us Humans We ar going to spend billions just in case we fall out with our freinds and they wont let us play with their toys.

We are going have better Toys than your toys na na nah na na ( it sounds better than spelt)

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04/30/2010 3:39 PM

I have convened the OGOIP, and we have concluded that you should take a break, turn off the computer, and rest for a few days.

You have begun to reply to yourself. You may not realize this, but without intervention you may get so far out that you won't listen to anybody but yourself. Then, you won't need any of us and you can pose questions to yourself that only you can answer.

Ever see War Games, the movie?

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04/30/2010 4:38 PM

lynlynch:

Now that the conclusion of the conclave has been announced, may we leave?

As an aside, that was an inspired and impassioned speech. I was truly moved.

p.s. The meal was delicious. I will search for a 'Jack-In-The-Box' back home.

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04/30/2010 4:48 PM

Dm,

Thanks for the kudos.

Sorry, Meeting adjourned.

Don't get much chance to have gourmet fixins' like that in Fargo?

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04/30/2010 5:01 PM

The best eats around here is usually the Trappers Kettle. You just never know what the 'Blue Plate Special' might be tonight. Always hot, usually brown, and lots of it!

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04/30/2010 5:15 PM

Never been there. The wife used to eat at Grandma's when she visited.

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04/30/2010 5:02 PM

my other problem is i keep thinking of things to say aon the same post after i have posted so i have to post again toput it all down.

I will be starting work again in the next few days so i wont have time to read this so i am making the most of it while i have the time.

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ok lyn youve convinced me i will stop posting now

bye

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