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Guide Vane in Turbo-expander

05/08/2010 3:43 AM

Is the guide vanes in turbo-expander (used in croyogenic process-gas plant) a safety device to protect TE against over speeding it( like PSV for a vessel against over pressure) or that, it is a controller device to adjust flow inlet the turboexpander?

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Re: Guide Vane in Turbo-expander

05/08/2010 10:09 PM

A little of both, but mostly a controller.

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05/10/2010 12:09 AM

hi, Can you clarify your meaning?

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Re: Guide Vane in Turbo-expander

05/08/2010 11:02 PM

They're both control and energy-saving devices.

For control purposes, they modulate flow.

For energy-saving, they guide flow (hence their name) so that it enters turboexpanders in a swirl rather than head-on.

Inlet guide vanes serve both purposes in centrifugal compressors, too (including gas compressors).

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Re: Guide Vane in Turbo-expander

05/10/2010 12:10 AM

thanks

So, are not they(inlet guide vanes) safety device in your opinion?

in regard to energy-saving you said, Is your purpose that the swirl pattern serves lower temp. in the outlet?

How are they activated?(by SC(speed controller), PC, FC)?

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Re: Guide Vane in Turbo-expander

05/12/2010 7:08 PM

IGV's as had been said control the gas angle to the rotor, and also throttle the flow. This allows the controller to optimize both the speed and flow. This is energy saving as the machine control optimizes the process operating point.

So since it does control speed it is in essence a safety device, and often the shutdown logic will include closing guide vanes to stop the machine.

There is a governor speed contol that opens and closes the guide vanes.

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Re: Guide Vane in Turbo-expander

05/14/2010 11:33 PM

Thanks.

Will you kindly introduce the technical literature address or reference about the subject(turbo-expander control system)?

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Re: Guide Vane in Turbo-expander

07/02/2010 9:42 PM

The IGV in a turboexpander is not a safety device. In fact, they are not tight-closing, so some gas will always leak by them.

Typically, they are controlled by an actuator, similar (if not the same) as what would be used on a control valve. They can be configured to control pressure or flow and there are variations of these (upstream, downstream, recompressor discharge, etc) depending on the exact process that the turboexpander is being used for.

In most applications, the IGV are used a a backpressure regulator to control the upstream pressure to the plant (in conjunction with a JT valve).

The only turboexpanders that would have a speed governor are those that are driving generators, which are not common in cryogenic gas processing plants.

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Re: Guide Vane in Turbo-expander

07/05/2010 12:14 AM

As you know, in the process plant, safety device is a device that is activated due to severe change of a process variable( like press., level, ...) to protect any related equipment. so,

when is the turbo-expander protected against the overspeed condition?

by the way, on your opinion which process variable( pressure or flow) is more desirable( or preferable) to control the IGV?why?

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Re: Guide Vane in Turbo-expander

07/05/2010 10:02 AM

In an oil-bearing turboexpander, the overspeed protection is typically programmed in a dynalco speed monitor (alarm high, trip high high).

Turboexpanders are different from other rotating equipment in that they are process driven. Other equipment (for example a compressor) drives the process. A turboexpander operates as a function of the process that it is operated in.

Typically for an expander to overspeed, the process would have to change from the original design conditions. For example if the expander is in a seperation process with a subcooler (where the flow is split between the expander and a subcooler at the inlet of the expander) and the "split" changes from the original design such that more flow goes to the expander and less flow goes to the subcooler. With the same total plant inlet flow and composition, the tower overheads (which is the typical expander-recompressor stream) will be roughly the same. Therefore the ratio of flow between the expander and recompressor will be different from the original design (more flow on the expander for the same recompressor flow) and the machine would overspeed. In this scenario, the fix would be to re-wheel the recompressor side of the turboexpander to increase the head (and diameter) of the recompressor wheel.

It is my opinion that pressure control for turboexpanders is better. The reason is that the expander tends to be more steady in pressure control (less speed fluctuation, etc).

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Re: Guide Vane in Turbo-expander

07/06/2010 9:35 AM

Thanks.

As I've understand from your statement, the IGV is a single function device, is used for process control . and the machine(TE) is protected against the overspeed condition by its shut down via PLC OUTPUT SIGNAL( dynalco speed monitor). isnot it?

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Re: Guide Vane in Turbo-expander

07/06/2010 9:25 PM

Exactly!

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