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Thermowells in Hydrogen Service

06/01/2010 5:48 PM

What experience is out there regarding a vent hole in a thermowell above the mounting flange to allow the escape of diffused hydrogen, thus avoiding pressure build up and potentially ruptured fittings? I know purging is sometimes recommended at high H2 temperatures with Type K themocouples to allieviate "green rot".

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Re: Thermowells in Hydrogen Service

06/02/2010 2:51 AM

Would you mind explaining, please, where this hydrogen is coming from?

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06/03/2010 7:41 AM

In low pressure furnaces and retorts, excess hydrogen is burned in an open flame. A ceramic glow-bar is often used to reignite the flame if it goes out.

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06/03/2010 7:43 AM

You still need to describe what the use is. Purging has nothing to do with 'green rot' and will not help.

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06/03/2010 9:45 AM

The thermowells are to be installed in 99+% H2 lines at pressures of 300 to 1200 psig @200 to 800 degF for Hydrotreater and Pressure Swing Adsorption services.

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06/03/2010 10:51 AM

The temperature is low - no problem there. İf you are using a 'good' factory bought thermowell İ can not understand how you get H2 into the thermowell. Even H2 will not diffuse through the wall of a solid metal TC. Venting would only guarantee you have a fire in the event of a leak. At 80 barg that would be fun! İ expect the weep hole you are talking about is for pressure equalization between the interior of the thermowell and ambient.

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06/03/2010 11:26 AM

I would obtain a thermowell with a low diffusion coefficient for H2. But, if you can't get one, then a vent hole with a glow-bar to burn off the H2 may be a good idea.

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06/03/2010 11:41 AM

İ operated plants where we had H2 at 1000 degrees C though at low pressure 8000 plus hours per year. Difussion of the H2 through the thremowell (inconell 600) was not a problem. İf you do have an H2 leak and you are in a vented location it is preferable if it does not burn as it rises and goes away.

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06/03/2010 2:35 PM

"Goes away" is not an acceptable term to safety engineers. Plants have exploded because people thought the H2 "went away". I agree that diffusion through one thermowell may not be cause for concern, but I don't know how many thermowells are involved and if there are other sources of H2. I suggest OP check things out and if there is any doubt, burn the excess gas.

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06/03/2010 3:31 PM

Work with the gas for 30 years and then tell me about it please. İn a plant İ manage no one would ever burn off H2 in that manner. The plants have exploded statement is sensational but is a nonsense statement. Many things in this world İ don't know much about - handling hydrogen is one area İ know very well.

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06/03/2010 8:31 PM

In the Northeast US I have been involved in a few H2 mishaps. I have seen a factory that exploded. The roof had been designed (by code) to blow off, and it functioned as intended. I also have been in the middle of two H2 explosions and while frightening, they did no lasting damage. Most of the factories I have inspected that operate H2 belt furnaces at slightly over 1 atm, burn off the excess H2 as I described. It is common practice.

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