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06/09/2010 8:31 AM

Sir I have completed my B.Tech EEE during 2005-2009. I am an apprentice in a steel plant under electrical department(110/11KV SS). I wish to work in operation and maintenance of substation as well as erection and commissioning of substation. Please guide me to become a good engineer in this field and what are the points I should be thorough with? Please be kind to mention some important companies if possible abroad. Give the topics which I must know, I am a dedicated person.

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06/09/2010 9:19 AM

This is part of one of your earlier original posts. It is typical of the skill level you demonstrate in most of your posts,

"How does a tester work? Please help I'm a graduate engineer."

I don't think you are ready for, "operation and maintenance of substation as well as erection and commissioning of substation."

Too many lives would be at risk with you working there. Once again you are asking questions that belie your level of competence. Stay where you are until you have some experience and don't have to ask elementary questions.

There I go again with the negative comments. I can't help it. If the truth hurts, maybe it should.

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06/09/2010 11:32 AM

I hope you will be there to answer my posts in future.I will be happy if the answer is purely working oriented and not having any advices.Sure you can advice me in career section.

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06/09/2010 9:39 AM

In most cases a person who is good at engineering or other technical fields has a strong drive to learn and do in that area. If you have too many technical things to read about and try and you can't figure out how to find the time to do it all then you will probably be a good engineer. If you don't have a "To Do" list and can't figure out what to do then engineering might not be your best career choice.

I never wanted to be an engineer, I was born an engineer. It took years of study and lots of money to get a piece of paper with "Engineer" written on it, but that is just a piece of paper.

Engineers use paper napkins to make rough drafts of designs. People who sit around thinking about being an engineer use paper napkins to clean up spilled food. What do you do with paper napkins?

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06/09/2010 11:55 AM

Is there anyone who can advice me not looking into 22years of my life, Please.

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06/09/2010 4:15 PM

Actually BruceFlorida gave you the best advice here that you should hope for. (That's why I gave him a GA.) Engineering is an obsessive calling not a career choice. This means that if the only thing that you want to do is to build, then you will build. If the only thing you wish to build is something so big, expensive and dangerous as a substation, then you will have to first design and build smaller power switching and converting devices for the people who do build substations. If you do not know how or what kind of a device this might be, well then I really wonder about the quality of your education then.

From your brief description of where you've found your initial employment, it does seem to me that you've made a good first step. School just teaches you the fundamentals and how to learn. You're now learning the hands-on practical knowledge that can only come from hands-on work.

My only immediate advice for you is to identify which of the many wiring and power distribution codes are used in your geographic area. Take this class. Likely you can convince your employer that they will benefit from you knowing the approved method for interpreting the arcane code for your location. Hey you might even be able to have them pay for this class.

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06/09/2010 10:32 PM

I will try to learn more and i got the idea of working in basic connections and moving to higher field from your post only.That helps i am learning. I can show you a thousand electrical engineers who dont know working principle of a tester here.I am not here to prove something or degrade someone but i dont want to be one among them.

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06/10/2010 7:58 AM

My Dear hithuanand, As an apprentice, You will be tasked with mastering the necessities that need to be performed in the position. I call those things the "how" of the job.

You must master the HOW first, as failure to do so will result in your termination.

All people have biases and prejudices, but few people have the wisdom to choose their biases and prejudices. I would suggest that in your line of work, You select to own the biases of "personal safety" and "adherence to code." That will become your "brand"

While you are mastering the fundamentals of not getting killed on the job and mastering the tasks that are normally expected for your position, You should devote a part of your time toward reflection of lessons learned, consideration of what needs to be improved, and how to prioritize those improvements while working within the resources available. These continuous improvement reflections will be the basis for your advancement, as they will show your management that you are more than just someone who does what they are told.

My personal trick was to keep notebooks or journals with stuff that I found helpful for permanent reference. In short order I had my bosses' bosses' boss calling me direct for info. To the organization I had earned the respect as the "go to" guy.

Now here is something that I would like to contribute: You are at the beginning of your career. You have a paying position in a steel mill doing electrical work. You envision that the care and maintenance of substations would be more glamorous or attractive work. Stay with me here. SUBSTATION WORK is just as frustrating as any other kind of work. And you would be at a disadvantage to someone with a civil or mechanical eng. background on the construction side.

You've only been out of school and on the job a short time. STAY WITH YOUR CURRENT position for a couple of years and serve your APPRENTICESHIP.

Without experience, you'll just be another book smart guy with an opinion and ASS-pirations of better work than they are capable of. And you will be frustrated when others fail to see your wonderful talents and capabilities- known only to yourself, because you haven't yet demonstrated them. Time on Task builds capability and recognition. The grass is not really greener on the other side of the hill.

I'm certain the folks in your steel mill deserve safe electricity. Helping them have it is great work and makes the world a better place. And gives you an opportunity to further your development. Milo

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06/10/2010 9:16 AM

Mr. Milo, You really enlighten my career God bless you.

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06/10/2010 10:01 AM

GA to Milo for this encouraging mail.

A small background of cultural differences may not be out of place here. In India 50 years ago, one had to choose between engineering, medicine or law. No other options were there for the average person. The very bright ones went to IITs. Others like me had to settle for lesser institutions. A small percentage had the passion and became great engineers and scientists. A very small %age. So, businessmen saw the oppurtunity and opened thousands of engineering colleges, some good, some pathetic. Most engineers coming out of these colleges are proportionately good or pathetic. A small percentage still make very good engineers, because they do have the passion to learn, do well and pursue excellence. Most of them could easily have done well in medicine, law, finance .. you name it. Just happened to be engineers.

i have worked with many illiterate people whose parents could not dream of putting their son through elementary school even, let alone college. But the passion for engineering is so bright in these people, that i have no doubt they would have been a shoo-in to IITs if only...

i cherish the time i spend with such people and do what i can to better their formal education.

The scope to earn a living in many field is better nowadays, still engineering rules the roost.

Thanks again, and sorry for rambling

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06/10/2010 10:30 AM

kvsridhar,

A very good answer here. A sterling example of a Good Answer Off Topic, or GOAT. (Yeah, it's not an exact acronym but since a few here once adopted this term I figured I resurrect it here.)

Many people forget that this is an international web and that many different complicated cultures meet in cyberspace. Forgetting these cultural differences is a natural human mistake that afflicts both sides of the culture gap. A westerner trying to project authority will often be perceived as arrogant. At the same time there are also many arrogant westerners. This gap can and will get worse if the parties involved are unknowingly talking about different things.

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06/10/2010 10:58 AM

Redfred, Kvsridhar,

There may be a bit of cultural gap to bridge. But I think that if we see our role as "providing encouragement and assistance" that our good will will help us across that bridge.[p]

I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt- my good will- to requestors until /unless they show that their "needs" are out of line. How do we define that ? I don't know, But I think I know it when I see it. But all of us have different views of that.

My thinking changed once when I saw a photo live. It made me realize that

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06/10/2010 11:09 AM

Thank you redfred and Milo. It is an enriching experience to interact with people who are not only good in their field, but are so human (can't think of a better adjective!)

And what a beautiful picture ... thanks .. i have saved it on my desktop

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06/10/2010 11:48 AM

i wasn't kidding..here it is .. my messy workstation. What a beautiful thought to wake up to ...or at any time ..... (even better after a couple of nice shots of Glenfiddich !)

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06/10/2010 12:56 PM

Looks like your mouse is orbiting the planet. Hopefully a certain < Del the> CAT won't go after your mouse...

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06/10/2010 1:08 PM

Heh heh.. i would surely like to introduce Del to our famous God Ganesha, whose 'vehicle' is a mouse .. a very powerful one... after all he is carrying the 'Elephant God'... we Indians do not start a day without paying obeisance to Ganesha, since it is believed that he removes all obstacles from our path in any venture, righteous of course. In modern times, with the influx of IT in India, Ganesha sometimes gets upset .. like here...

It is a gif image titled "Lost mouse Ganesha", but somehow the animation doesn't work..nice one.

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06/10/2010 3:27 PM

Hey KV, What I understand is, as Hitudanand said he knows many engineers in India who do not understand operating principles of Tester. In such a situation praying to Ganesha is necessary to see the day through. Or may be a few Odd good hands like yourself, save many asses. Hope you won't take any offence.....!

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06/10/2010 8:51 PM

You bet praying to Ganesha (or any one of the other 33 million Gods and Goddesses) is how most of us stumble through life here And no, no offence taken at all. If you check some of my posts, (even the thread where i have been compared to Google/Yahoo), i have taken most comments as compliments

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06/11/2010 1:53 AM

Friends if you start discussing about God you never get time in your life to study anything else."Forget God and do your work"-Swami Vivekananda.

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