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VFD Power

07/06/2010 4:24 AM

I am recently trying to calculate power from the data available from the display of the drive (ACS 800). There is error in my calculation

We have a 2000 KW (690 V, 46.4 Hz, 1985 A, P.F 0.87, 923 RPM) cement Mill Fan. I am mentioning four values from drive display

1. 1184 KW,1452.41 A, 40.67 Hz, 812.2 RPM, 70.5 % Torque

2. 1163 KW,1427.22 A, 40.67 Hz, 812.2 RPM, 69.4% Torque

3. 861 KW, 1166.00 A, 34.66 Hz, 692.2 RPM, 50.49 % Torque

4. 350 KW, 731.05 A, 34.63 Hz, 692.2 RPM, 22.15 % Torque

The way I calculate that is for P= 1.732 *(v/f *f)*I*P.F

V/f ratio which I have taken is 690/46.4 =14.87

case-1: P = 1.732*(14.87*40.67)*1452.41 * 0.87 = 1323.55 KW but

drive shows 1184 KW.

There is something I am missing and I am not predicting this miss factor. Can anyone have any Idea how these calculations have been done?

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Re: VFD Power

07/06/2010 9:57 AM

V/f ratio is different in different cases

Let take V/f ratio from reverse computation

1. V = (1163*1000)/1.732*1427.22*.87 = 540 V i-e v/f = 13.2776 @ 40.67 Hz

2. v= (1184*1000)/1.732*1452.4*.87 =541 V so v/f= 13.27 @ 40.67 Hz

3. v =(861*1000)/ 1.732*1166*0.87 = 490.04 V v/f= 14.13 @ 34.66 Hz

4. V= (350*1000)/1.732*731.05*0.87 = 317.726 V v/f= 9.174 @ 34.63 Hz

I think the problem is with the computation of v/f. but how many v/f we have

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Re: VFD Power

07/06/2010 10:41 AM

You are calculating power based on the motor nameplate PF, which is based on its effect on a fixed sine wave power supply. The VFD changes all of that (among other things); it can alter the output waveform based on the PF to maximize shaft power vs input power. The algorithm for calculating output kW in a VFD driven motor is very complex, something the microprocessor in the VFD is doing for you.

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07/06/2010 9:39 PM

ACS800 drive controls the motor speed by producing just the required torque. It will not follow the standard constant V/F ratio. It will adjust the V/F ratio continuouly to match the varying load requirement.

For example let us consider the case when your fan runs at 692.2 rpm. You are seeing two different torque readings at the same speed because the load requirement of the driven fan are different. So the drive adjusted the V/F ratio and produced just the required torque to maintain the fan at 692.2 rpm.

In this VFD, they don't follow the predefined switching frequency for the inverters. The IGBT's are switched on only when required ie the drive finds out what is the optimum switching frequency and the IGBTs are switched on accordingly. They say that the number of switching is less by about 30% compared with the traditional PWM inverters.

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