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Any Derating of Ampacity for Wiring In Sealed U/G Conduit

07/13/2010 7:16 PM

If the direct buried underground conduit with insulated conductors (carring more than two 120V,1phase lighting circuits) be sealed at the both ends (means air space between wires is locked w/o any breathing capability), would there be any derating of ampacity of current carrying conductors other than NEC, T- 310-15(B)(2)(a)? Do we need any way to have breathing capability for such conduit wiring or any other suggestions?

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Re: Any Derating of Ampacity for Wiring In Sealed U/G Conduit

07/14/2010 12:31 AM

In oil and gas installations, hazardous area code requirements essentially require the conduits to be sealed or plugged usually done by pouring sealing compound.

Once proper sizing of cable is done by taking into account derating factor in accordance with any of the codes there is no need for any breather nor there is such a practice.

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Re: Any Derating of Ampacity for Wiring In Sealed U/G Conduit

07/14/2010 2:37 AM

yes you have to consider derating.as current derating depends on where you laid cable ,what the temp of atm,whether it is touching or not .

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Re: Any Derating of Ampacity for Wiring In Sealed U/G Conduit

07/15/2010 2:29 AM

The derating factor mainly depends on the location of installation of the cable in ground or in air, the manufacturer's catalogue gives a clear detail about these factors if they are installed in air or ground with some grouping factor also should be taken care.

grouping factor is taken if more than two cables are laid horizontally next to each other in ground within in a certain distance. This data can be found in the manufacturer's catalogue. More over you have not specified the type of cable with its armouring and insulation to clearly give you some data.

The following data extracted from a catalogue for your help, it is a LSF type cables :

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Re: Any Derating of Ampacity for Wiring In Sealed U/G Conduit

07/19/2010 11:53 AM

The NEC assumes no air movement in the conduit. Cooling of the wire is via contact between the wire and the pipe, convection (through the still air in the pipe) and radiation.

De-rating is based upon the environment outside the conduit.

  • The NEC assumes a certain thermal conductivity of the earth. If your installation has unusual soil conditions, that must be considered by a qualified engineer.
  • Further de-rating is required if multiple conduits & conductors are installed adjacent to one another. This is because the area between the conduits will be subjected to more heat (from several conductors) than the area around the perimeter.

As a point of reference, nearly all commercial installations have no breathing capability for conductors. The conduit terminates into a closed box (transformer, switchgear, pull box, etc.) on both ends, which prevents free circulation of air.

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