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07/17/2010 3:15 AM

Sir

We are going to install 3 No of Alternator of 6 KVA and 6.3 KV.

Our project is that we have to sync. alternator on a 6.3 KV bus then used STEP Up transformers then 11 KV bus.

Our problem is that what will be the Vector Group of Transformers and why?

We have independent feeders not sync. to grid.

Muhammad Afzal

Sitara energy Ltd

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Re: Vector Group

07/17/2010 9:48 AM

For the case that you indicated, the transformer will be 6.3/11KV transformer. The generator side voltage is 6.3KV and the generators should have grounded neutral. In 11 KV side, you may not use neutral. So, you can use the vector group Dyn--, where -- can be the numbers such as 1, 5, 11 etc.

I think, for the continuity of service during maintenance, you will be using more than one transformer to step up the voltage. So, if more than one transformer is used, they have to be run in parallel. In this case, use the transformer of same vector group and same ratings.

See these links:

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/35957

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/49757

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/56901

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Re: Vector Group

07/18/2010 1:49 AM

Hai,

As per Mr. MS Suggesstions go head for TX 6.3/11 KV YNd 5,7 or YNyn0.

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07/18/2010 11:45 PM

FOR THIS APPLICATION DO THE FOLLOWING.

1.USE THREE SEPARATE SUITABLY RATED VCBS(AS PER YOUR SYSTEM FAULT LEVEL RATING )ON THE 6.3KV SIDE TO SYNCHRONIZE EACH GENERATOR.

BASICALLY THERE SHOULD BE A SWITCHBOARD WITH THREE INCOMER GENERATOR WITH SYNCHRONIZING ARRANGEMENT AND THE OUTPUT OF THE SWBD SHALL BE FED TO A STEP UP TRANSFORMERR OF RATIO 6.6/11 KV WITH VECTOR GROUP DYN11.

THE SECONDARY SIDE OF THE TRAFO NEUTRAL SHOULD BE GROUNDED THROUGH A SUITABLY RATED AROUND 400AMP NGR.

THE TRANSFORMER OUTPUT OF 11KV SHALL BE FED TO A 11KV SWBD WITH I/COMER AS THE TRAFO OUTGOING CABLE.

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Re: Vector Group

07/19/2010 2:13 AM

When U are synchronizing alternators and transforming to higher voltages, Ur talking about parallel operation of transformers. For transformers to be connected in parallel, they must meet the following requirements,

1) They must be of same primary and secondary voltages.

2) The same tape ratio.

3) The same percentage impedance.

4) Most belong to the same vector group.

The answer to Ur question is any transformer of the same vector group that meets with the condition for paralleling as specified above. If they are not of the same specification as above, the breakers will not close due to fault signals, as phase rotations, etc.

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Re: Vector Group

07/20/2010 5:04 AM

KVA Rating of alternator seems wrong.

any way, It depends on type of system you are designing, earthed or Unearthed,

The secondary of transformer can be star or delta.

With star connected system neutral is available and can be grounded. where as delta system earthing transformer would be required to earth the system, the vector group of earthing transformer shall be Znyn11. The star connected secondary of earthing transformer can be 415 volts for auxiliary services

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07/20/2010 8:43 AM

I suggest a Dyn11 Vector Group Transformer. (Please recall that the HV side or 11kV side is Delta and is denoted by a Capital Letter and the LV side or the 6.3kV side is Star and is denoted by a small letter. The brought out neutral on the LV side is represented by the small 'n').

The reasons are:

i) Generator side of the TRF has to be a grounded system to reduce high fault currents which could be harmful for the generator. So, you go for a Star connections with an earthed neutral (preferably a high resistance earthed system) at the generator side (6.3kV side).

ii) As the HV side is feeding a 11kV (3-wire) bus, you don't need a star connection at the 11 kV Side. You can go for a Delta Connection as you need only three wires for distribution.

iii) the following '11' denotes that the phase shift of the LV winding with respect to the HV winding is + 30 degrees. Now, as the LV side is the generator side, with reference to this generator voltage, the HV side voltage will be "lagging" by 30 degrees. You normally have the same Dyn11 Vector Group Transformers at the 11kV/433V level, whose LV side will have a + 30 degrees phase shift. Now, the 433 V at this transformer's LV side will be in phase with the generator voltage.

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