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How To Change Your Career Field

08/23/2010 9:02 PM

I believe that many in this post would agree that it is hard to change fields in engineering while retaining the same position and salary. A good friend who started his career as an HVAC engineer working for one of those poorly managed HVAC design firms in NY was let go when the construction industry tanked.

He is now looking for job and open to any other field of engineering. He asked me the other day, what is the best way to re-brand yourself after having an all too specific expertise in one field, so you can change fields without compromising your position and salary level too much?

I answered, emphasizing on your management skills and strong work ethic is one way (everyone does that). Do you have any other ideas?

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08/24/2010 4:01 AM

It takes a little creativity.
When I got my first Electronics Design Engineer job I had omitted the word 'Test' from my previous job title. 'Senior Development Test Engineer' .
But I knew I could do the business because I'd been helping the junior developmet guys sort out their designs.
So I'd say be economical with the truth, but only if you know you are good for job.
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08/24/2010 3:44 PM

There is nothing wrong with bending the truth a little when you know your are qualified for the job. In fact, i think it is justifiable, because your previous title does not accurately reflect your experience and skill level. However, in the age of the internet, I wonder if it could bring more trouble than its worth, because things are just ever so easier to verify.

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08/24/2010 9:04 AM

I think it basically boils down to presenting yourself to be qualified for the job. It's very likely that the employer will try to offer a lower salary based on level of experience in that field. It's up to the job candidate to sell himself (or herself) as worth the desired salary.

One thing that caught my attention in the example you mentioned. You stated he's looking to re-brand himself without compromising his salary level too much. Since he was let go (I am assuming he then is unemployed), his salary level is 0 (or close to it). He may not be in a position to demand what he used to earn.

While it may seem unfair to some, employers generally don't pay employees what the employee thinks he (she) is worth, they pay what they think the employee is worth. The exceptions being employees at the minimum wage level (as the employer pays what the government thinks the employee should be worth) and union workers (employers pay a group what they deem the group value to be - some individuals may be being paid more than what the employer thinks they are worth).

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08/24/2010 3:39 PM

I see your point. But he got laid off just recently. and taking any job because you need the money is perhaps a little too lame. I say, at least try to get what you want for a reasonable period of time first.

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08/24/2010 3:51 PM

Certainly if he has the resources to take some time to look around for something comparable to what he had before is probably a wise approach. At some point in time, that equation may change and he may have to settle for what is available. Hopefully, he will find something that's a good fit for him soon.

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08/24/2010 10:45 AM

Engineering field is the easiest to change towards multiple entries. The only criteria is your learning skills, zeal and adaptability confidence. You do routine jobs without upgrading yourself, there comes the ruin. Face changes and become a seasoned Engineer. R & D should be the other alternate to avoid monotony.

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08/24/2010 11:54 PM

Job-shopping (i.e., free-lance work in design, analysis, project management, whatever) on a short-term, project-oriented basis is a good way to truly introduce your skills to a potential employer. Hit your network- there are always outfits looking to ramp up staff temporarily to get through some crisis period...

But don't give yourself away. If they don't have the resources to pay for professional level services, you don't want to have anything to do with them.

There are a couple of outfits out there that are web-based- guru.com, odesk, innocentive, etc. that may offer some opportunities. LinkedIn seems to be a good place to look for positions as well...And one can build a bit of a reputation right here on CR4 that can demonstrate your broad-based skills and help you re-invent yourself. Be careful, though- the image you project on the Internet is hard to erase...

The downside is, you may enjoy freelance consulting so much, you'll never go back to working for a salary...

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08/25/2010 1:26 AM

I give GA s to #3 and #7 because they both tell you to go and do it yourself. Do not mope over the lost job but get busy and use a new tactic for employment. Think about starting your own business. If you cannot find a job in your niche, start a new company. I started a new company when I got fed up with the direction I was forced in my old job. I quit and then ran a company for 27 years. The first few years were scary as hell but I persisted and always found something to do mostly in my field (water resource engineering and geography). Eventually, I was busy enough to hire people and just kept pushing the envelop of what was offered. I became an expert by reading and wanting to know more than my rivals. It was an important tool when I could eventually hire employees and there were always a few employees that liked the idea of pursuing knowledge. These were the ones I would send to conferences as they already demonstrated the desire to learn. Starting your own business will open doors you never dreamed of in your old job. It will create a whole new book of contacts. All it takes is a lot of persistence, low expectations (do not do it to get rich but do it to eventually make a decent living at something you enjoy), and damn hard work. Oh yeah lots of luck.

I repeat the effort will be worth it. Even if you fail, your effort will make you very employable because you will know what your resume should really look like. I suspect you can make it work. You will be amazed by how many people, mostly relatives, think you are rich because you have a sign and your name on a truck. It is mostly an illusion but will lead to people asking you to do work for them.

I am now retired due to health but I am still enjoying myself. I will get the old age pension this year...look out Vegas.

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08/26/2010 9:00 AM

Words of wisdom and life experience. Venturing is the ultimate option for everyone to end up. Own ventures bear two sides 1] Risk factor2] Unlimited experience, responsibility, satisfaction of accomplishment,new hopes,kills away monotony and bring in thrills and finally the security[ no one can sack you from your own venture excepting yourself] thus taking your destiny as Master of your fate.

This venturing spirit had taken humanity to great heights, comforts, services and activity and occupation.

The initial stage could be painful, but never lost for ever.

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08/26/2010 6:25 PM

do you own your own business? please share your personal experiences

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08/26/2010 9:46 PM

Although your question was directed at someone else, perhaps my contributions would be of interest as well. I have started a number of businesses over the years, from my first as a freelance photographer specializing in architectural photography, to my current, specializing in low level technology engineering consulting, with side trips into high tech engineering and some off-the-wall concepts. My first business as a photographer was based on pretty mediocre skills as a photographer, but was sufficiently successful to provide me a comfortable living, and launch me on my real estate investment business which was highly speculative and based on a similar bubble to what has brought many to their knees today (I was grossly over-extended and got caught holding a lot of property that lost 30% of its value overnight as the result of oil prices dropping from $30 to $13 overnight, back in the 1980's in Texas...).

Some basic rules:

1. Perseveration is the most critical characteristic for getting a business going. It takes 4 years to build a solid business, and this seems to be independent of the type of business one is pursuing.

2. One must talk to 20 people (minimum) to acquire one new customer. The best source of new customers, bar none, is referral from a satisfied previous customer. When I started my photography business, and again, when I decided engineering was where I wanted to go and I was looking for a position that would compliment my university studies, I actually "beat the pavement"- canvasing a likely section of town and "cold calling" on businesses in the area that might be interesting- in the first case, carrying a portfolio of my photographs, in the second, carrying a portfolio of technical drawings illustrating my drafting skills.

3. Realistic goals are important, although these goals will tend to change with time.

4. A detailed plan is important- although one most likely will not follow the plan in detail (one should rewrite the plan every five years or so).

5. I have had more success with businesses built on a reasonable assessment of my own capabilities rather than those based on external factors or opportunities.

I suspect I no longer have the personal skills required to secure me a salaried position. Independence is addictive...

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08/26/2010 10:03 PM

Perseverance is truly the one characteristic of all business ventures. I had many days when that was all that I could offer. You are right, once you taste independence and its rewards, you will always want it.

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08/28/2010 3:56 AM

Cwarner7 11 had added more inputs to my line of points.

I do have own business under development, it took almost 4 years to get the first customer. I am into a most painful area of service[ environment] and there seems to be lot of hardships. My experience is, whenever there is a problem, a hopeful alternate solution comes out, that spirit keeps me going on.

Financial losses are easily recoverable, provided we have budget levels of experimental or sampling expenses.

Being a research and development based venture, experience has taught me how to avoid costly proto model machinery development expenses and use low cost simulation test model development. That of course, the first blunder was my teacher.

Of course all of mine are hobby based activities to exert feed to my ideas.

Now I am into major Sustainable Development Technology promotions dealing water, energy, waste recycling, energy efficiency, clean technologies, clean energy utilities and the list is going up.

Had if, I would have feared the initial financial losses, I would not have reached this status.

Keep money away from our endeavours. If the goals are accomplished, earnings should not be a constrain. Many of us fear this risk factor and shrink down our true potentials.

All happened because, I had changed my formal discipline of expertise from a textile base to Sustainable Development and Environment.

There seems as Nothing to lose and efforts never default

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