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P11 & P22 Hardness Issue

09/08/2010 12:31 PM

We are facing one serious concern regarding PWHT of weld joints of A335 Grade P11 & P22 piping in very high pressure superheated steam and syn gas service. Due to some unforeseen circumstances at our site, PWHT of some weld joints was not done effectively and resulted in higher hardness of weld joints although HAZ area hardness values are OK. The hardness number of weld joints is in the range of 260 - 320 HB which is unacceptable as per code requirements.

I want to seek your expert opinion on the following:

1. Can we take these weld joints is operation and defer PWHT for planned Outage after one and half year?

2. Is there any relaxation which can be taken in hardness readings, for example, welds with hardness up to 260 may be accepted and above this number must be PWHT again?

3. What effects can it cause after taking these weld joints in service? Weld failure can occur immediately or would take some time?

4. As HAZ area hardness number is standing in the range of 115 - 150, would repeating PWHT effect this number and further reduce the hardness of HAZ which may not be acceptable?

Your inputs would definitely help me in making a correct decision.

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Ashfaq

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Re: P11 & P22 Hardness Issue

09/09/2010 1:46 AM

Good morning Mr Ashfaqanwer, your talking about dissimilar welds P11 to P22?

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Re: P11 & P22 Hardness Issue

09/10/2010 8:33 AM

I am talking about similar weld joints P11 to P11 and P22 to P22.

I understand that the HAZ readings are not that normal and the inspectors must have taken the readings some reasonable distance away from the weld on the base metal.

I am looking into that. Meanwhile, I would pleased if you add comments to the questions I asked.

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Re: P11 & P22 Hardness Issue

09/09/2010 4:22 AM

You have to repeat the PWHT as per the code requirements and the hardness shall be strictly within the permitted limits of that code.

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Re: P11 & P22 Hardness Issue

09/10/2010 8:28 AM

Thanks.

So there should not be any excuse given on hardness value?"

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Re: P11 & P22 Hardness Issue

09/09/2010 6:52 AM

The reported results are not normal, not at least with an evil PWHT. Re check the hardness tester calibration, your hardness procedure and repeat the tests before taking another action.

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Re: P11 & P22 Hardness Issue

09/30/2010 8:24 AM

I remember asking a colleague who had more experience with welding 2 1/4 CR material (P22) and asked him if he had arranged welding without PWHT and if he had any problems (it was not a pressure containing part).

He confirmed that he had done so and did not have any problems.

He then added "but all the welds cracked".

I think this may answer your question.

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