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Motor DE Side Bearing Temperature

09/28/2010 11:15 AM

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Recently we put one rewinded 315kw motor in operation. When we started the motor with load the motor was drawing 436amps and no vibration and running smooth. we was continuosly monitored the motor DE and NDE side bearing temperature. After a hour the DE side bearing temperature slowly increased to 125 degree celius then we stopped the motor and replaced with other same rated motor. The replaced motor had been running two days but the DE side bearing temperature had been below 95 degree celius(we had doubt on the pump so we did the experiment we found pump is ok). The motor which we removed from operation we changed both end bearing(SKF) with new and again we put in the operation but the temperature on the DE is same as before after a hour. i am requesting the genius to explain what could be the reason for increasing DE side bearing temperature in that particular motor.

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Re: Motor DE side bearing temperature

09/28/2010 11:26 AM

Did you test run the motor off load before fitting?

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Re: Motor DE Side Bearing Temperature

09/28/2010 11:06 PM

The one major difference between the rewound motor and the replacement is just that, The problem motor has just been rewound.

Is it conceivable that the heat source is within the armature winding on that end of the shaft, possibility a single short circuited turn? and the heat is migrating out via the shaft.

Is there ample end play in the shaft for bearing clearance?

Is the motor open frame where you can use an IR sensor? See if you can measure any difference in shaft temperature and and surrounding bearing, i.e. is the bearing heating the shaft or is the shaft heating the bearing?

From the numbers I assume that this motor is a 480 volt, 3 phase. You do not say if it is a wound rotor. It could be a high resistance shorting bar on that end. How closely are the phase currents balanced. A short circuited turn would be expected to give an unbalanced current condition.

With the motor running in test (long time, no load) does that end still heat up?

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Re: Motor DE Side Bearing Temperature

09/29/2010 7:43 AM

GA from me.

I will add to the logic: Since it is taking an hour of running (as said by OP!) before the temperature starts to creep up, then it might be logical to assume that the heat IS MIGRATING from another source than the bearing (the winding?) to the bearing area.

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Re: Motor DE Side Bearing Temperature

09/29/2010 10:49 AM

Thanks Mr. snakers

Coil resistance is u1-u2=0.033ohms, v1-v2=0.032ohms and w1-w2=0.033ohms

Insulation resistance between body to winding is greater than 2gigaohms at 500volts so we can clearly say that No problem in armature winding from the above readings.

As per you stated we also have doubt on rotor only(we measured the temperature by used IR sensor on DE side of the motor from that we felt shaft temperature more than the bearing temperature, differenance around 3 degree celius).

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09/29/2010 10:33 PM

Lets reason this out. If the shaft temperature is higher than the bearing temperature the heat is likely coming from the rotor. If it is a wound stator and a squirrel cage rotor (no windings), The stator winding resistance has little meaning. Heat in the rotor section can only come from a broken or cracked shorting bar.

Basically these are short circuited turns that have high current flows. If each of the short circuited turns resistances on the rotor are low, the I 2 R losses are low, hence little heat.

If you have a broken (or cracked) shorting bar, the R values increase as does the heat. This is a common problem with motors this size. I have seen where re-brazed bars have re-cracked a year later.

The rotor needs to be examined very closely. Use of temperature sensitive paint requires reassembly, running, disassembly and examination of paint temperature indicators. More likely a close examination with magnifying glass will identify the problem area(s). I sugest that you take a very close look.

Please let me know what you find.

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Re: Motor DE Side Bearing Temperature

09/29/2010 11:15 AM

Check the alignment and how much thrust load the DE bearing is getting.

Is this on a VFD? You could be inducing eddy current losses. Was the bearing originally an insulated bearing?

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Re: Motor DE Side Bearing Temperature

09/29/2010 11:51 AM

Have you checked that proper fan of is mounted on the motor.

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Re: Motor DE Side Bearing Temperature

09/29/2010 5:01 PM

The possible causes will depend on the type of motor and coupling.

  • Is the motor mounted horizontally or vertically?
  • Are the bearings ball, roller or journal (sleeve) type?
  • Are the bearings grease or oil lubricated?
  • Are the bearings externally cooled (for example, with a water jacket)?
  • Is the coupling bolted or flexible?
  • Was any machining done on the rotor shaft, bearing housing or frame feet of the motor?

One problem I've sometimes found in rewound motors is that the electrical center has moved so far that the shoulder of the rotor shaft rubs on the side of the bearing.

In vertical motors, the most common problem I've seen is installing the thrust bearing upside down so it doesn't provide support.

Oil lubricated bearings can have a blockage in the oil flow path.

Greased bearings sometimes get over-packed with grease, which increases friction.

For externally cooled bearings, the water flow path could be blocked, the temperature of the cooling water may have changed, the water jacket could be clogged with corrosion, or a layer of rust may be inhibiting heat transfer.

If you can give us additional information on the motor, some of these can be eliminated and more detailed suggestions provided.

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