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Immersion Heater for Gas Compressor Crankcase

10/04/2010 3:45 AM

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I am planning to install an immersion heater in the oil sump of our GE Gemini FS-704 reciprocating compressor.

Oil: Shell corona P-150

Capacity: 170 Liters.

Operating temperature during operation of the compressor is 60-65 deg C

The purpose of this heater would be to keep the oil warm when the compressor is standby. The heater will maintain a temperature of around 50 deg C.

Our Problem: It was observed that during the winter season, when the compressor was in standby condition, the lubrication oil temperatures dropped to a certain level around 34o C. As the oil viscosity was low, this resulted in the tripping of the compressor on low lube oil pressure during startup.

This heater will have a built in thermostat and will only run when our auxiliary lube oil pump is running.

What I need is heater that will suit my situation. I have a 1" NPT plug hole available at the sump bottom of the crankcase.

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Re: Immersion Heater for Gas compressor crankcase

10/04/2010 4:45 AM

Your not going to get a heater through a 1" socket! You need a heater with a low output in relation to it's length. A secondary safety thermostat should also be fitted.

It's with bitter experience I found this out. Not a compressor but a coal mill, the heater carbonised the oil and ruined the gearbox.

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Re: Immersion Heater for Gas compressor crankcase

10/04/2010 8:22 AM

There may be something to learn from the crankcase heaters used on refrigeration compressors, some which may be as small as 1".

As was mentioned, carburizing oil is a problem, so do not rush into it with a great big heater. Heaters come in varying watts-per-sq. cm. Start small, but be careful. All you need to do is warm the oil up a little.

Also, what is often done is fastening a heater to the bottom of the crankcase on the outside. The heater will warm up the oil by conduction.

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10/04/2010 8:28 AM

Use the 1" plug hole for a thermostat and do as Coldspot suggests and use an external heater. You've got the best of both worlds

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10/04/2010 9:25 AM

Specs on that oil show the viscosity would increase as the temperature lowers. I believe that you have another problem then just oil temperature. Bad pump, bad sensor, maybe low oil level. Not knowing the volume of oil in the sump. If level was taken while hot it may contract enough when cool to set off low oil level sensor.

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10/04/2010 11:29 PM

The thing is, I trust my operators, if they say "Lube oil level was ok", I believe them.

Our auxiliary pump is working fine. It maintains a pressure of 3.9 - 4.0 when the compressor is standby. The problem is when the shaft driven pump starts. The trip limit is at 1.8 bar. During start up (When the compressor ramps up to its working RPM) if the lube oil pressure falls below 1.8 bar, the compressor trips on "low lube oil pressure at start up".

During operation the trip limit is 2.7 bar.

And we have a level switch for the lube oil level low indication.

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10/05/2010 7:58 AM

The suction strainer been checked? What is the operational pressure if it is 3.9 - 4.0 at standby?

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10/04/2010 9:47 AM

This is not an endorsement, but these guys might have what you need. The price sure is reasonable.

http://www.wolverineheater.com/products.shtml

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10/04/2010 10:06 AM

vipy...

Have you considered another grade of the Shell Corena P lubricant for winter use instean of installing an immersion heater ?

The Shell Corena P lubricants family has two lighter (less viscous) grades (P100 and P68) that should be considered.

Where in the world is the compressor located ???

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10/04/2010 11:17 PM

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10/04/2010 11:43 PM

We had sim. problem in northern manitoba... we connected to the sump an external oil cooler shrouded in radiator ... the radiator had a block heater...which in turn warms up the water ...thus warms up the oil without cooking it......works well...james

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Re: Immersion Heater for Gas Compressor Crankcase

10/05/2010 4:26 AM

What is this compressor pumping?

Is there any change of state going on in the compressor crankcase?

If a liquid settles below the oil, and that liquid boils when the compressor starts up, the oil in the crankcase becomes foam. Since gear pumps pump liquids you have what looks like an oil pump problem but was not.

If this is the case, lightly warming the compressor crankcase sufficiently to prevent liquid from settling would solve the problem.

However, I would have to ask why the machine did not come designed to handle this problem.

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Re: Immersion Heater for Gas Compressor Crankcase

02/17/2011 9:18 AM

You use two oil - sintetic 4º stage and mineral for 1,2,3º stages ? what specification for this two oils, i have problemen whith sintetic shc 634 mobil and lubrax ccd430.

Can help me?

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